california milkshakes

[richiebee]

Looks like \"Vladimir Syringe\" will
be joining Mr. Mullins in the detention
barn.

As happy as we all are that the playing
field is being leveled, I am certain at
this very moment the show horse/harness
people in Canada are working on a new undetectable
equine edge which will eventually find its way south of the border.



Post Edited (02-13-05 01:33)

[BitPlayer]

Saturday\'s San Diego Union Tribune carried some quotes from Mullins I found amusing:

Jeff Mullins is adamant that the reason his horses have been given those substances was not to win races but to relieve their stomach ulcers and promote their well-being.

\"It\'s not like we\'re talking about morphine – things that aren\'t healthy for a horse,\" said Mullins, who ranks ninth in the nation with $640,950 in earnings this year through Thursday, according to equibase.com. \"This (alkalizing substances) is healthy for a horse. I think to a point, it probably does enhance performance, but it\'s my job to keep the horse healthy.\"

\"I think my (staff) were overloading with the stomach medication,\" Mullins said, explaining the reason for exceeding the threshold. \"We\'re trying to find out where the problem lies. This is my livelihood. This is the only thing I know. I\'m not going to jeopardize that, and I wouldn\'t do that on purpose.\"

[Silver Charm]

Doesn\'t seem to be able to get a horse past the entry box and into the starting gate theses days.

Yearly Report was scratched first Stakes entry this year, ran dismally in the Sunshine Millions (at 3-5) and since been retired. Roman Ruler and Pussycat Doll were both scratched yesterday because the track was supposedly wet and hard.

After starting the meet off well, Bafferts win percentage is now about 17% which means he is about 10% or less since the first two weeks of the meet.

Now that Trainers see other Trainers names go up in lights after positives, we will track not only win percentages but comparable number of starters from previous years to see who is ducking the entry box.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

No he\'s not shaking. He\'s too Legit to quit being a real horseman.

Roman Ruler has horrible feet. Forget about him. No prayer to be a Derby factor. He doesn\'t want the ground either.

One Day this guy will have ALL the Triple Crown records and he\'ll accomplish it in record time with a marvelous win percentage.

[Silver Charm]

Real Horsemen don\'t work horses with horrible feet 1:11 from the gate like he did Roman Ruler a week ago.

Also today is the anniversary date of when Baffert/Kafwain ran a record Negative Two in the San Vicente. Next start out Kafwain tested positve for clenbuterol at the Fair Grounds in the La Derby.

[Delmar Deb]

Milkshakes can also cover the presence of other drugs in the horse...and with some of these scratches - specifically the trainer in this thread - I think the scratches are more likely due to the detection of the \"other\" stuff without the milkshakes there.

The 3rd trainer who had the positive - but has not been publically identified nor \"fined\" per the current rules - is rumored to be the trainer of a Grade 1 winning 3 yr old filly - probably the top 3 yr old filly - and it\'s not hard to figure out who that would be.  In this instance - and because of the delay - I\'m wondering if the \"other\" stuff was discovered.

In any event, I see no value in trying to figure out what any of the California horses can do with or without additives - let alone who is using and who isn\'t.  The even sadder part is that whatever happens now has NO FINANCIAL repercussions - and they can keep the purses and the betting profits until the CHRB adds milkshakes to the list...maybe someone next year!

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Clenbuterol is a permitted medication in many jurisdictions. It helps horses with breathing problems and trace amounts are permissible. It can\'t be administered within a certain amount of days.

Did Bafferts horse test positivie in a jurisdiction where it is not permissible or did he exceed a threshold where it is?

Lukas has had a horse test positive for Cocaine. There is no accepted use of Cocaine in veterinary medicine.

I\'m not sold on a notion that baking soda can mask chemical compounds. If Baffert falls to 12%, I could be persuaded.

I just dont think he\'s cheating. You don\'t win the Derby with 70K and 17K horses and not have a great deal of insight into biomechanics and breeding. You don\'t buy a horse for a million on a questionable vet report, unless you know what you\'re doing.

Lets be real, Baffert is doing it with acumen. Lukas thinks a Storm Cat over a Mr. Prospector is the way you go.

CtC

[Delmar Deb]

I think you have to divide the Baffert years into pre and post Eoin Harty...and look at how many 2 yo\'s were able to race successfully at 3.  Also, check out the breeding records for Point Given and War Emblem.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Deb,

I guess you\'re post implied that Point Given and War Emblem don\'t count for Baffert because Eoin Harty was gone as his assistant at the time he raced them.

I\'m also surmising that you\'re implying that illegal medications have impacted the fertility of the two post Harty Classic winners. I suppose thats possible. I would point out that War Emblem is a very picky breeder. He won\'t just hop upon any filly. He has to genuinely like her. I don\'t quite understand that, but thats what they say. I haven\'t heard similarly of Point Given, so maybe his fertility is at issue. I guess we\'ll have to surmise Cigar was juiced up.

As far as an implication that Harty might be responsible for getting Baffert\'s two year olds over the hump. I\'d have to ask, why is he having trouble in that regard? (His two year olds don\'t appear to be going on) I can\'t come up with a decent older horse for him, other than Street Cry. (Bad example. I think this one was purchased privately by Godolphin after his career began and he was trained by Suroor for his big wins) Few trainers could hope to work for a better Stable, however I do think he learned some things from Baffert that in the future will stand him in good stead.

Baffert has had a slew of horses that he gave time to and got them back running and as much as I discount his breeding, I wouldn\'t be entirely surprised if at some point he makes Roman Ruler a Grade I winner.



Post Edited (02-13-05 16:43)

[Delmar Deb]

When Harty first started for Godolphin, he only had the horses through their 2 yo year and they were then taken to Dubai for the winter and turned over to other trainers.  During that time, Eoin managed to run 1-2 in the BC Juvenile fillies at Belmont.

I too am disappointed with his stats - but I don\'t think that having the Godolphin horses young and running in the US is a good deal.  Their breeding for the most part is not precocious, and with the exception of Flame Thrower, he rarely beat Baffert at Del Mar.

He also lost 2 years when all of the Godolphin ones he had (at Arlington, Del Mar and Saratoga) got sick, and I believe only one or two came back the next year.  That was the year they were going to let him keep the horses at 3 - so he was really dead.

I\'m waiting for him to get a horse that is bred to race here and that he can build the foundation at 2, and race it at 3.  That\'s what he mastered under Baffert and should he get the same type of horse, would be doing it again.