Curious

[HP]

Just out of curiousity, what was the \'analysis\' for the Derby - the \'play\' that was sold that day? HP

[TGJB]

5 horse box(PD, S, WE, MDO, RFP), win bet on PD at 10-1 or more. Rated it an A bet. They ran 1-3-4-5, but didn\'t cash.

[HP]

What do you mean CAN\'T give a big spread play in the analysis? What makes you think that someone who spends $25 for analysis is a casual player? These are some debatable assumptions.

I know, I know, we encourage people to learn to read the sheets and make their own decisions. But now you\'re posting that you cashed. As a certified Big Mouth, I can tell you this is somewhat shaky ground. Sorry, but I can\'t be a lackey every day. Perhaps there are some things you should keep to yourself.

The figures held up nice. I can only blame myself for my results. HP

[NotAnOpenForum]

I\'m with you HP, next time I\'ll just box the eight horses and sit back and smile. Anyone interested in boxing 8 in the Preakness? I\'m thinking of starting a syndicate - 17 shares at $20 each.

Are there that many TG players across the country or is that a partisanship remark? I best be careful, I\'m walking on thin ice with Jerry - he has threatened to kick me out of this open forum. I better throw in a compliment...Jerry, I think you are good at marketing your product.

[fastspeed]

I read (bought) Jerry\'s analysis and it definitely would have helped people to win. Most people putting a fresh bet on derby day (as opposed to futures) could have worked out that WE was way better value than PD, Saa, MO and the rest. I read \"The Sheets\" analysis and it would have made a loser of pretty much everybody using it.  Keep posting and perhaps it will sink in.

P.S. when you make handiccaping comments you\'re not too bad - but your last 100 posts were about other rubbish.

[TGJB]

I actually did something I never do- broke down the $ into a specific play. I told them if I were going to bet $150 it would be a $2 exacta box($40), $1 tri box($60), $50 win on PD. You really think I\'m supposed to put up $1700 plays? Even if a few are not, most who take the analysis(as opposed to the seminar)are casual players. And even for the serious handicappers, $1700 is a big bite. I did put it out in the seminar in such a way as to make it very easy to get there if you went for a big ticket.

[HP]

NAOF, your comments have very little to do with what I said. As a Rag guy, you should keep your mouth shut based on what appeared over there. Your house is made of glass. Also happens to be a case where boxing seven (I don\'t think there were ever eight) would have paid off.

Your comments on Jerry\'s \'syndicate\' are also silly, but he has no one to blame but himself for this kind of....sillyosity on your part. Plenty of people do this syndicate thing, and plenty of men are drinking fruity drinks like cosmopolitans now. Doesn\'t make it right. I don\'t like it and goofed on him accordingly. HP

[NotAnOpenForum]

[HP]

I hear you. You could have given your play outlined above, and you could have said, \"if you\'re really ambitious and feel like laying in more cash, you can do this...\" You generally wouldn\'t give a five horse box either, but it\'s the Derby.

You seem to be missing the obvious point. Many times, I (probably all of us) have said we liked something, or even recommended a play, and then we get hit with a sudden inspiration, or the tote swings or there\'s a late scratch, and we add a horse or take out a horse and win. The last minute throw-in yields a bomb. It\'s perfectly alright. If I really nail something, I may bray a bit, because I\'m essentially weakminded and need some kind of approval. I\'m working on it. In different circumstances (maybe like these) I might keep my mouth shut a little, even though, given the nature of the game as described above, they have no real beef (there have been caveats aplenty here). Things happen right up to the bell. Same on Wall St., where I\'ve had a lot more than $1,700 down, so I know what I\'m talking about. Most agreements give the guy making the bet some latitude for this kind of thing. You have to! To sum up, I\'m not sure you had to post about cashing here, and I\'m not sure it was wise. I\'ve been wrong before and it will happen again. Just one lackey\'s opinion.

In the same way Robes doesn\'t get the slam dunk with his \'lightly\' stuff, you get less than the slam dunk here. There\'s a big difference between saying A,B and C and having them come in and the circumstances here. I\'m sure my opinion matters to you, Moneybags.

Boy am I an asskisser. HP

[Michael D.]

I agree with HP here. The TG bet on the win end was clearly PD at 10-1 or more. We did not get 10-1, so there was no loss, but I do not think TG should be bragging about cashing on the WE win bet in this public forum when it was not the win bet you gave to everyone. I still give the overall Derby handicapping an A though (when comparing it to the other stuff I have seen, and taking into account the extremely difficult race)

[tonyk]

I thought it was a fantastic job of handicapping considering that noboby gave the horse any mention with the exception of horse\'s connections .I seem to remember reading that the horse was fast and that JB would not throw it out because of the obvious value .I watched the yoyo\'s on tvg all day and they are still stunned .If you wanted real value WE was the horse to bet especially         with the post ,lack of early speed and speed friendly track

[tonyk]

JB also mentioned that Lucas\'horses were jumping out of thier skin at the current meet another brilliant observation along with PD as best value .Great call ,I don\'t think the average player can go 8 deep but there were favorable comments on the top 3 finishers that\'s pretty good ,no, that\'s damn good .I won\'t go 8 deep but given the analysis info you could toss some you don\'t particularlly like in order to fit your budget .the race going in was a crap shoot so you got to take a stand somewhere

[TGJB]

You\'re right, we\'re going to give the money back. We boxed 7, and got over 60-1 on our play- I have to assume that even you can figure out that was a pretty good play. By the way, let\'s keep it quiet about the picks for the Derby you posted here- none of the 4(which included the favorite)finished in the top 4. Mine did a little better, I guess.
Say bye-bye. That was the last post that stays up.

[TGJB]

In my discussion of WE I said he was \"clearly value\". In my overview at the end of the seminar(and it was with every set of 5/4 CD we sold)I said:

\"OVERVIEW:  There is an awful lot of value to be found in this race, since it’s worth taking a stand against a number of horses that will take money- like Harlan’s Holiday, Came Home, Buddha, and Johannesburg. Perfect Drift is clearly value, and the right play may be spreading out in the exotics using several of the live ones- War Emblem, Request For Parole, Medaglia D’Oro, Saarland, and if you really want to spread out, Proud Citizen, Essence Of Dubai, and Blue Burner.\"  

I don\'t think you will find too many people who went public with a better job on the exotics.