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[TGJB]

I was watching on TV, and I don\'t think I ever saw a direct head on shot. Anybody see one?

[jimbo66]

I saw the head on a few times.  I also had no betting interest in the race, so am partial.  He came over hard and both bumped and intimidated.  

If it was the 4th at Aqueduct on the inner this winter, the horse comes down.

come to think of it, Jamie Spencer should only be allowed to ride in this country at winter meets.  Nice ride he gave Powerscourt..........

You reverse Spencer\'s ride on Powerscourt with Kieran Fallon\'s ride on Oiuja Board and almost all of the seminar users go home a winner. (just a guess)

[JimP]

Does any one know the answer about who the stewards were for the BC? Are the stewards appointed by the track/state or by the BC for BC day? Since the point about the Texas rules was brought up, were they racing under the Texas rules or does the BC bring along their own set of rules?

[jbelfior]

Two shoes--

That\'s your opinion and I respect it.

Speaking of POWERSCOURT---do you think he was the best horse in the race?? What if Dominquez or Johnny V is on him and not that \"apprentice\" that O\'Brien uses.



Good Luck,
Joe B.

[HP]

Come on!  Powerscourt was DEAD in the stretch.  If he rated he might have got beat as well.  Plus the reports I read from Texas during the week said that Powerscourt and Whipper both \"appeared hot\" and it looked like they both ran to that evaluation.  HP

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

twoshoes wrote:

> Right again and I\'m not arguing. But they don\'t often play them
> for 2 Mil. and it ain\'t really the same thing. I didn\'t have
> this one nor did it cost me. I was rooting for them to let it
> stand - Motion and Dominguez seem good guys and BTN was best on
> this course this day - but it was a foul, and I don\'t want the
> Stewards doing their imitation of the Amazing Creskin the next
> time they are trying to decide where my horse would have
> finished after he was fouled. They are better off ruling if
> there was interference and in this case there was - clearly.
> Magistretti was beaten about 2 lengths for third. Probably
> didn\'t make a difference but it might have. Powerscourt was
> clear and in full flight while Magistretti was being taken up.
> If you don\'t think that accounts for two lengths you may be
> right but we\'ll never know for sure. That\'s the point.
>

Twoshoes, to quote:  

\"The Texas rules of racing are explicit. They say, \"A horse may not interfere with or cause another horse to lose stride, lose ground or lose positiion in a part of the race where the horse interfered with loses the opportunity to place where the horse might be reasonably expected to finish.\"

Better Talk Now, was moving best at the end, but he did impede two other horses at that critical juncture. I agree with you that its delving into the world of subjectivity to conclude the finishing positions would not have been altered without the foul. I can\'t say with any certainty that the fouls didn\'t prevent Magestretti from getting third (Prado said it did) or Kitten\'s from winning. (Velasquez said it cost him the win) They were fouls in a very questionable spot and that is enough for me. Shack may score but he can\'t go through defenders with position to do so.

Better Talk Now should have been disqualified to fourth. Its water under the bridge, but I believe Texas racing and its stewards have demonstrated that they can\'t be entrusted with a responsibility as big as the Breeders Cup.

CtC



Post Edited (11-01-04 15:29)

[miff]

GUYS,

Watch the replay CAREFULLY. When Johnny V tried to get out, Dominquez had already established that spot, no foul just race riding.

There was one foul against against Magestretti which meant zero to the final placings, IMO.

[twoshoes]

HP -
You may be right but Powerscourt got butchered - at the gate - with the ridiculous premature move - and with that rodeo routine we\'re getting to know all too well off the turn and down the lane. He almost certainly would have fared better with a jock that can break and has some sense of pace and can finish without wildly flailing around (see Antonio Pius.)

[HP]

Twoshoes,

I don\'t know, but I was expecting that from Powerscourt.  I watched some of the races from Europe, courtesy of the links from M. Eckhart on this board and I thought he would be forwardly placed early.  My memory may be failing me.  I just can\'t see how he could have beaten the winner here (and I don\'t think Kitten\'s Joy was going to beat him either, even if he got out when he wanted to)...and at 3-1 I was much happier throwing him out...  HP

[twoshoes]

CTC -

That was my point - tortured though it was. Miff is of the opinion it would not have made any difference in the order of finish so it\'s fine with him. I respect that. I can\'t make that assessment because I just don\'t know - but I am of the opinion it may have cost Magistretti third and he was fouled by the winner.

[miff]

TWO SHOES,

Just for the record,I needed the winner to come down, but I really feel the outcome wasn\'t affected by the foul. I can see where you and others would see if differently because it was not cut and dry.

[twoshoes]

HP - There was a fair amount of evidence Powerscourt wasn\'t the same horse at 12 furlongs that he was at 10. It\'s very possible you\'re right and a more judicious ride would have led to the same result. I\'m certainly not going to criticize throwing him out at 3-1 and for the record I don\'t think Kitten\'s Joy was going to beat the winner either.

Twoshoes

[P-Dub]

Dominguez got to the spot first, a great piece of riding.

What does Ray mean \" look for some rough riding in future Breeders\' Cups\"??  Aren\'t they that way now???