sightseek

[Saddlecloth]

Sightseek is better then Azeri cause she has faster TG figures, give me a break.

Look at accomplishments on the track, figures secondary when saying who was better then who.

Sightseek has 7 grade 1 wins, most accomplished at Belmont.

Azeri has won grade 1 races at Hollywood, Santa Anita, Arlignton, Keeneland, Oaklawn, and Saratoga.  To boot I think that was grade 1 #12 today.

Sightseek is a fine race mare, but she is not champion cause she was born to the same period Azeri was, that is a tought break.

[Silver Charm]

>That\'s it, end of story. Sightseek was better and faster. PERIOD

And then they ran against each other and split their races one-to-one.

Anyone who saw Azeri win the Spinster while under Total Wraps also knows she just Wrapped Up the Older Filly and Mare Eclipse. Azeri and Company stepped out of the box a couple of times this year, two sprints and The Met Mile against a field that keeps looking better and better. Azeri should not be punished for this.

I did my best to not mention the drug testing angle as being a reson why Frankel is passing on the BC with Sightseek because after all he is going with Ghostzapper and Nothing to Lose. How they run that day is another story.

What is a little strange is his logic and using that same logic with Ghostzapper he should have run in the Jockey Club, because after all it was for a cool $Million. Then put the horse away for the campaign because it would be to much to ask him to run right back again. At least that is his logic in Sightseeks case. If the other Horses stumble on BC Day Ghostzapper wins all the awards while not running. Maybe Frankel thinks those horses can win while HE KNOWS Sightseek could not.

Frankel is trying to back into a title by hoping Azeri loses on BC Day. For this type of logic he SHOULD BE PUNISHED!!



Post Edited (10-10-04 19:26)

[Saddlecloth]

Silver Charm wrote:

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> BC Day. For this type of logic he SHOULD BE PUNISHED!!
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> Post Edited (10-10-04 19:26)

Totally agree, not only that, Frankel conceded he would not fare as well anywhere but else but belmont.  Yet azeri dances all the dances, something she was critisezed for before, and she is going to get punished for losing a couple of sprints.  

Its laughable.

[TGJB]

Who should be champion and who has more ability are two different questions-- ability and accomplishment are two different things, a point we stress to clients when we buy horses for them. In terms of measurable ability, Sightseek had more, but that doesn\'t mean she should be champ.

And then there is the question of \"help\". As John Chance has pointed out on this site before, it\'s not just Frankel who moves horses up-- trainers for Paulson have done very well over the years, and not just with his stock, and not as well before or after. And yes, I know Lukas has won a few races.

Last year a lot of trainers ducked the BC, and a few horses have already dropped out this year, when there will be even more scrutiny. It will be interesting to see who goes, and who runs well.

[miff]

Can\'t see where Sightseek had more ability, she may have had better numbers(wider running style) but Azeri didn\'t need her track like Sightseek needed Belmont many times.They had one \'MATCH\" race and Azeri was best.Their Belmont race was a toss.Who would you bet on in a match race all things equal at 10 panels,two turns.

The answer on Paulson is easy and I\'m surprised you didn\'t know it\'s the bloodlines and the NUTRITION program, of course.

[Saddlecloth]

Its hard for me to say Sightseek had more ability, she has more losses then Azeri and not nearly as many grade 1 wins, azeri has as many grade 1 wins as sightseek has wins.  Also if sightseek had so much talent, you would have thought she could have outfinished Elloluv or Got Koko in the breeders cup.

Azeri has ran similiar number to sightseek with other services that are not so dependent on ground loss.  The 115 at Saratoga was a joke IMO.

Bottom line is Azeri accomplished more, and I will take that over some speed figure any day of the week when telling who was better then who.  The rest is just opinion.

I think Sightseek\'s best races are a tad better than Azeri\'s best races, but Azeri was more versatile and the better filly on their average day. I give the nod to Azeri.

[jbelfior]

CH---

I cannot see SIGHTSEEK ever beating AZERI at 1 1/8 around 2 turns the same way I could never imagine AZERI beating SIGHTSEEK around 1 turn at Belmont Park.

No matter. Neither one would beat ISLAND FASHION in the Distaff this year.



Good Luck,
Joe B.

[Saddlecloth]

Just like the way Island Fashion was going to beat azeri in the apple blossom, when azeri was third choice?  Lol.

[jbelfior]

go ahead....take the 4 to 5....LOL...I knew this would stir up someone.



Good Luck,
Joe B.

[P-Dub]

Sightseek is nothing more than a glorified Sky Beauty. A monster at Belmont, just another pretty good horse someplace else.

I love Thorograph and the product they produce, but I get a little tired of EVERYTHING being quantified. Sightseek ran faster numbers than Azeri; therefore, she has more ability. Does anyone really believe that?? Easy Goer had more ability than Sunday Silence because the number says so, despite the fact he lost 3 out of 4 to a horse with lesser \"ability\". The lone win for EG being on a freak Belmont configuration. I guess it doesn\'t matter who wins races in head to head competition. Easy Goer was a fantastic racehorse, just don\'t tell me he had more \"ability\" than SS. SS had the \"ability\" to navigate tighter turns than EG. He had the \"ability\" to accelerate on the turn, leaving his opponents with too much catching up to do. He had the \"ability\" to get to the wire faster than EG.

We can go round and round comparing numbers, tracks, etc...  There is only one way to determine the best or who has more \"ability\".....put them in the starting gate and see who gets to the wire first. I don\'t care what number Sightseek ran at Belmont, she isn\'t better or has more ability than Azeri. Sightseek couldn\'t duplicate Azeri\'s 2002 BC win if Frankel\'s vet emptied his entire tackle box.