Roadster

[wrongly1]

Curious about the throat surgery that Roadster underwent as a 2-year old.  Anyone know what the exact procedure was or how effective that procedure is over the long haul.  I was told that that a throat procedure might be a temporary fix and one might get lucky to get two or three additional races.  Wondering if that\'s correct.

[dglass2232]

It\'s called a tieback.

https://ker.com/equinews/tie-back-surgery-horses/

My understanding is that it doesn\'t always work.

[wrongly1]

Thank you!

[Roman]

First time posting, been reading these posts for a while.
Anyways I remember Cot Campbell from Dogwood Stables talking about myectomies.
It was the latest and greatest procedure a while back and was in vogue. According to Cot, several different trainers requested performing the procedure on his horses and he said that it was a about 50% successful.

https://ker.com/equinews/dorsal-displacement-horses/?highlight=Myectomy%20

[Roman]

Here’s the link about Cot.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/.../commentary-oh-me-oh-myectomy

[Blueskies]

This is what we have been using- easy recovery for the horse and usually effective:

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6936/494b73c8cad72c4d0c33cacc9f37f36d8a9d.pdf

This brings up another interesting point for handicapping races- I\'m guessing we would agree that the horses health impacts his performance and until its well understood what medicines they take and what procedures they\'ve had as well as the anticipated outcomes from those procedures then there will be a big variable that is not accounted for in analysis. It also may not be quantifiable because the data around outcomes is limited.

[Niall]

Excellent point all around but really important with regards to this procedure. Question about Lasix and workouts and how it relates to Serengeti. Heard All Stall on Byk and he said she bled a 6 on a 1 to 5 scale and bled through Lasix. He comes back and works her (on lasix) and pronounces her healthy. Now we are supposed to find out in the KY Oaks?? Maybe a test run somewhere, no? Watching her limp across the finish line with blood pouring from her nostrils followed by a van ride would be awesome publicity. Not with my money.

I\'ll be watching the races from the Wynn Sports book in Las Vegas. PM me if in the area and want to have a drink. Good luck all

[TGJB]

Now think about how often this will come up if they BAN lasix.

[JimP]

It will never come up if Lasix is eliminated. She bled through Lasix, was administered Lasix and pronounced fit, and will be racing with Lasix in the Oaks. If Lasix is banned we should never see this occur again. Assuming there is an effective post race test for Lasix of course.

[TGJB]

If lasix is banned you will see it daily, everywhere, you just wont be told when it happens. You will be guessing about every horse coming off a bad performance.

[BitPlayer]

Al Stall does not train Serengeti Empress.  Tom Amoss does.

[Blueskies]

Here you go-
The half life of Lasix is around 2 hours so it\'s not around long.  


Immunoassay detection of drugs in racing horses. VI. Detection of furosemide (Lasix) in equine blood by a one step ELISA and PCFIA.
Woods WE1, Wang CJ, Houtz PK, Tai HH, Wood T, Weckman TJ, Yang JM, Chang SL, Blake JW, Tobin T, et al.
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Abstract
A one step enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) and a particle concentration fluorescent immunoassay (PCFIA) test for furosemide were evaluated as part of a panel of pre- and post-race tests for illegal medication of racing horses. These tests are very sensitive to furosemide with an I-50 for furosemide of about 20 ng/ml. The test is also rapid; an average pre-race complement of 10 samples can be analyzed in 90 minutes or less. The ELISA test results can be read with an inexpensive spectrophotometer, or even by eye. Both the PCFIA test and the ELISA test readily detect the presence of furosemide in equine blood for up to five hours after administration of the recommended therapeutic dose of this agent. The principal utility of these tests lies in rapid screening of samples for compliance with regulations governing the use of furosemide. Thus these tests can be used pre-race to determine whether horsemen have treated their horses with furosemide, and post-race to perform an initial evaluation of whether certain blood concentrations of furosemide have been exceeded. Pilot trials with these systems in Kentucky and Illinois suggest that these tests are economical and effective, and can form part of an analytical approach to substitute for the detention barn system of monitoring furosemide administration.

[TGJB]

What’s the relevance? The problem is it WON’T be used. Something else will, that might or might not be effective, and some people will be guessing, and some people will be making educated guesses. Fun, right? Like shooting craps, or first time synthetic!

[TGJB]

To make clear, “it” above referred to guesswork resulting from banning lasix. Not lasix itself. My bad.