Frosted

[prist]

RE: a) there\'s a reason people pay $25 per track for ours

\"what they sell is good value for the money\"

CRITICAL ANALYSIS. ;-)

[johnnym]

I wonder what AP may have developed into?

[prist]

Maybe you can learn a thing or two from the Trumpster .... like stay on the attack.

Say enough good things about the competition and folks might use critical analysis and decide the cheaper option is the better value.

[TGJB]

They are not our competition. Them being value at their price has nothing to do with us being value at ours. If you handle $100 a day or less you should be using them.

[NormandyInvasion]

TGJB Wrote:
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> And? Your point?
>
> Listen, I like those guys, what they sell is good
> value for the money. But a) there\'s a reason
> people pay $25 per track for ours, and b) what you
> see there is a function of using claiming pars, as
> I\'ve explained before.


It\'s called conversation fodder, in response to a back and forth about the best numbers in history and what other performances could vie with the title that you are bestowing to Frosted.  As I\'d just looked up the list last night and had it at hand, I thought that a decent list of performances.  

If you\'re looking for someone other than Beyer, then the only other one I\'ve heard so far is TimeFormUS who gave him a point lower than AP.

[TGJB]

The 123 Beyer for Frosted is at least ballpark, you can\'t compare generations using Beyer because of the par thing.

By the time we got to the 2004 DRF Expo Andy had realized (since I had discussed it here) why using pars doesn\'t work, and he said, sitting 3 feet from me, that they no longer used them. They clearly had used them historically, which is why the old figures come up so fast. And I have reason to believe they still do.

I\'m shocked at the TimeFormUS thing. No race AP ever ran is close to the figure Frosted just ran. That\'s not about accomplishment or who is a better horse, it\'s best performance vs best performance.

[mjellish]

For what it\'s worth (and it isnt much considering i don\'t sell figures and am not a pro figure maker) i make my own figures along with a couple of guys.  And on our stuff we have Frosty running what would equate to TG -7.5 and that\'s AFTER breaking the race out and adjusting it down (slower) by a full point from the varient and what it works out to organically, which i\'m not sure we should be doing.  If anything its faster, not slower than that. You can\'t make it any slower IMO.  The horse freaked and exploded in the stretch.  Period.  Maybe he thought AP was still somewhere out there, in front of him still...

[ajkreider]

Maybe they adjusted the fig, but last I saw the BC for AP they gave a 138, and Frosted got a 135 for the Mile.  AP\'s was the fastest BC ever and made him the equal highest-rated US racehorse (Cigar) - according to timeformUS.

[vagrant]

Candy Ride earned a 123 in the 2003 Pacific Classic.

http://www.lanesend.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/DRF-Racing-PPs-Candy-Ride.pdf

Medaglia d\'Oro earned a 120 in the \'02 Jim Dandy.

[NormandyInvasion]

Thanks Vagrant.  I thought it seemed a shorter list than I thought.  We thought Lawyer Ron had run a 120+ number once but haven\'t gone looking.