ROTW - my take

Started by shanahan, December 12, 2015, 07:00:23 AM

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Topcat

FrankD. Wrote:
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> BBB,
>
> Happy Holidays to you and yours.
>
> A bit tongue in cheek as a GR-3 isn\'t much of a
> step up and last winter this one was suspected to
> have some ability.
>
> Sr Navarro has a knack for doing amazing things.
> The sire though a small sample size has his
> runners improve 6 points from 2-3. That is exactly
> the jump this one took from a 6 at 2 to a 0 in his
> previous heat which was a 5 point new top.
> I\'ll give the Gulf strip a speed friendly rating,
> I\'ve played it all week.
> His total and complete destruction of a decent
> field with such ease to another 2 point or so new
> top? Amazing display of hay, water and
> oatsmenship.
>
> As for \"Class has dominated this sport for
> centuries\" you are 100% correct. The past tense of
> \"has dominated\" is exactly that, It\'s not quite as
> severe as the world ending with Oscar Barrera but
> it sure as hell changed things quite a bit.
>
> You\'re a bit older than I am from your 50 years of
> capping references. Cutting my teeth in the 70\'s I
> also was told that class, class, class is what
> mattered most.
> On a day with super testing, detention barns and
> quality stakes horses I\'ll still agree with you.
>
> However:
> Back in the day condition books consisted of basic
> allowance conditions, NW 1, 2, 3 etc... How many
> NW of 3 do you ever see anymore at any venue?
> Claimers had a specific worth and trainers found
> their correct levels of competition.
>
> The results from the usual suspects  around the
> country on a daily basis more than speak for
> themselves. The one thing T-graph does for sure in
> no uncertain terms is measure performance ability.
> On a daily basis we see some AMAZING NEW
> PERFORMANCES that no longer have a thing to do
> with class.
>
> If one does not include the \" juice guys\" in their
> daily capping factors they are simply naive and
> Bowery bound.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Frank D.

Not looking to split hairs here.   Oscar B essentially heralded the Brave New World, where many a horse changed barns, returned under colors spitting fire with a heightened capacity for raw performance, cranked out 3/4/5 vastly-superior efforts -- then often disappeared for an extended period -- or forever.

TGJB

You\'re a riot. And you never, ever learn about the assertions.

One of these days I\'ll sit down and make a list of horses that won stakes for TG clients after being claimed-- Taking Risks and Buffles did it on the same card at Mth, one of them being a GI. Claims were for 20k and 14,5k. Claramount is another that comes to mind.

Then there are all the ones that had been running in allowances and small stakes when we bought them privately to run in big ones-- Super Frolic, Student Council, Even The Score, and many, many others, (88 horses that won around 250 stakes). The entire premise of what I do buying horses-- which I have had more success at that anyone else-- is the OPPOSITE of the \"class\" nonsense.

If Dennis Heard and Glenn Lane are reading the board they can probably add a few.
TGJB

billk5300s

Rainwater may win an occasional claimer or allowance race.  When his horses are in form they run.  There aren\'t any secret potions associated with money moves on his horses.  I agree with Fairmount1 in that he doesn\'t fit \"the list\".

Rick B.

billk5300s Wrote:
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> Rainwater may win an occasional claimer or
> allowance race.  When his horses are in form they
> run.  There aren\'t any secret potions associated
> with money moves on his horses.  I agree with
> Fairmount1 in that he doesn\'t fit \"the list\".

IMO it\'s hard to be on any \"list\" if you only
send one or two over each week.

This was the MO of the senior Rainwater (RIP), and
the son seems to be keeping the same pace. Scraps
only here, I think.

Tavasco

My apologies about Mr. Bradlee Rainwater. My first thought for the list was simply trainers to keep an eye on. Yes, it included some suspended/banished guys my error. Navarro\'s record had my head spinning.

According to Equibase, Mr. Rainwater has started 100 races in 2015 and is 17w, 19p, 14s, so he is hitting the board 50% of the time. The few occasions I had to notice they were not Pletcher prices.

Simply put he is on my Radar.

Rick B.

Tavasco Wrote:
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> My apologies about Mr. Bradlee Rainwater.
>
> Simply put he is on my Radar.

No apologies needed, carry on.

I am tracking a small-sample guy at (get this) Mahoning.

Like Rainwater, he doesn\'t start many, but his strike rate
is simply outstanding, with horses running off the screen
at giant prices.