when do the derby pre-entries go on sale...thanks...

CHOWDERMAN · April 13, 2015, 06:49:53 PM

that is all

RICH · April 15, 2015, 12:12:38 PM

the derby prep numbers are leaking out of 11th street, how about over here, should make for some interesting discussions, when can we expect the special

TGJB · April 15, 2015, 12:36:28 PM

Early next week, which is when we did it last year.

miff · April 15, 2015, 12:53:18 PM

11th Street has Dortmund moving backwards, rather substantially, in the SA Derby....Brilliant!!

TGJB · April 15, 2015, 01:02:19 PM

They actually moved out to Long Island City, from what I hear.

Yeah, my intellectually honest friend over there posted he ran 7 plus on their stuff.

mjellish · April 15, 2015, 01:05:12 PM

I also heard they have Carpe Diem as the fastest horse along with Upstart, other than maybe whatever AP ran in the ARK Derby.

miff · April 15, 2015, 01:12:42 PM

AP\'s last fastest with a fig like TG 0...Upstart second fastest like TG 1\'s

reboundman · April 15, 2015, 01:15:14 PM

I saw somewhere in my twitter timeline that he was given a 4-.

toppled · April 15, 2015, 02:20:14 PM

Yep, Justin Zayat posted it on Twitter.

Justin Zayat @JustinZayat
· Apr 13
American Pharoah 4- on Ragozins. Mr. Z 9 @jazz3162

https://twitter.com/justinzayat

mjellish · April 15, 2015, 02:32:32 PM

Then Materiality must have about the same figure as Upstart because the weights were equal, he won by 1.5 but saved more ground.

I am really curious how TGJB has the Bluegrass rated. Beyer had it slow and I didn\'t see it that way. But I\'m not a professional figure make either.