now Hoppertunity is out, is "none of the above" an option to win?

[covelj70]

I mean, what a shame

[TreadHead]

The curse of Apollo continues!

[Michael D.]

This is the worst betting Derby I have ever seen.

The only horse I could even contemplate betting is Commanding Curve, and he might be 10 lengths too slow with a wide trip.

[moosepalm]

covelj70 Wrote:
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> I mean, what a shame


Look on the bright side: your original horse no longer has to break from #20.

[covelj70]

lol, this is good

funny thing is that Ward just said he\'s not sure he wants to run from the 20 post so he has to talk to the owners about whether to run

um, did he think that if there was a scratch he was getting the post of the horse that scratched?

come on now Wesley.

[toppled]

If Ward doesn\'t run he better not be seen by anyone in the Social Inclusion camp.

[Polamalu43]

No doubt, come on Wes, your smarter than that.  There will be a lot of pissed off connections if he doesn\'t run.

[justwin]

Mike,

I\'m with you on this one. If he gets a better start last race his number would have been better and if the race was 1/8 mile longer it would have been better. So I don\'t view him as 10 lengths too slow. The outside has been pretty good lately. Still don\'t know what to do with Wicked. All the hype on CC wining may be right , they just have the wrong CC.

George

[BitPlayer]

I had the same initial thought, but I wonder if he can be certain how many others will enter when he drops his slip in the box.  It\'s certainly happened before that there are surprises at entry time.

[Gerard]

As per earlier post a few weeks ago regarding West Point owners and DS popularity, and given some interest in these posts as well, any guesses on where the other CCs post time odds will be?

[justwin]

I would guess anywhere from 25-40. But probably in the high 30\'s. WPT is not putting a dent in this pool.

[jimbo66]

Would agree that WPT irrelevant in these pools.  Completely.  Like pissing in the ocean.

That said, I would take under 25-1 as the off odds on commanding curve.  He has some hype attached to him for a horse who hasn\'t accomplished a lot yet.  Also his trainer ran second last year.  

Plus u have the win pool phenomenon where no long shots go off as high as they should in the triple crown.  Think u get much truer odds in the multi race and exotic pools.

[Michael D.]

Gerard Wrote:
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> As per earlier post a few weeks ago regarding West
> Point owners and DS popularity, and given some
> interest in these posts as well, any guesses on
> where the other CCs post time odds will be?


really don\'t know, but I won\'t be surprised if he\'s 15-1. with Pablo in there, the pace is going to get a ton of press.

[Gerard]

Thank you, was thinking if he goes closer to 20-1, it may open up some value on some other runners. Looks like a year to watch the tote for value, take some flyers, and let the dust settle for the Preakness and Belmont. Good luck to all.