Non disqualification of Goldikova

[Flighted Iron]

Re: lets not forget who carries who (300 Views)
Posted by: sighthound (IP Logged)
Date: March 07, 2011 04:24PM


That\'s a great video to watch: look how quiet those jocks are sitting the horses in the final sixteenth. There\'s no flailing with the whips, no pumping with the shoulders and arms. The horses are tired, the horses are fighting it out, and the jocks are trying to just sit there quiet, being as light as they can, not interfering, not throwing off the balance, and letting the horses do all they can.

Great video!

Do you remember this sarcastic utterance defending riders? Well guess what? there isn\'t a soul on this fing planet that knows for sure whats going on with the fing horse during the fing race other than the fing rider.That\'s the fing reason the rider lodged
the objection genius.Watch a thousand more races? I\'m not a rider,but i must object to THAT statement.

Not to mention laws of fing probability.in this horses last 5+ mile grass races he\'s NEVER been done at the top of the lane.go back and read the captions.words and phrases such as grudgingly,gamely,fought back all while in the same fing company.


 and Courageous Cat, who was mugged by Goldikova in the Mile – "They about dropped his ass," Mott said

this was from the Daily Racing Form.I suppose P Val doesn\'t know shit and Mott\'s
just a fing liar?

Fing please

[dodie]

Sighthound, I respect your opinion about P Val being done or not.  An inquiry however, is not the same as an objection.  An inquiry is initiated by the stewards.  An objection is initiated by an owner, trainer, or jockey.  Officially, probably, an objection becomes an inquiry once the stewards accept it and begin to investigate, I mean \"inquire.\"  The point is, who initiates it.  And, if it didn\'t affect the finish, then I guess you wait for an objection if you\'re a steward. The point for me is public perception.  And I guess I just over reacted.

[dodie]

It\'s racing\'s biggest day . . . oohhh, looks like that horse might have broken a rule by coming out and possibly taking the path of another horse.  We\'re the officials, let\'s let everyone know were going to take a look at some replays just to make sure.  But I guess the NFL waits for the coach to throw one of those red flags before they look at a replay, so stewards should do the same to.  It\'s just a perception.

[sighthound]

Your angry insults don\'t help your case. Neither does your failure to recognize what\'s not sarcasm, genius.

Trainers and jocks file objections all the time. A connection to reality often has little to do with it.   This one didn\'t hold up. There\'s a reason for it.  Watch the damn race.  The horse was done.  

You disagree?  Yeah, we get that.  

But think about this:  if PVal had any horse at all left, he would have persisted and followed the mare.  Not wrapped up and quit out of the money.

The horse was backing up, just not fast enough to get the hell out of Goldikova\'s way.

[Flighted Iron]

You disagree? Yeah, we get that.

I thought about.i still disagree,however i will agree to disagree.

[JR]

Yeah. Right. Question. If it had been just a 2 horse race and she made that move into him would you still think she should stay up?

[JR]

Ha! She practically knocks him over and you say \"look, he\'s done\" because he doesn\'t get back up and run after her. Geez.

[moosepalm]

It does open itself up to the kind of subjective jockey decision making where he/she says,\"Oh, it looks like you\'re done, so you don\'t mind if I bump you a few wide.\"  In a big field, I\'m not sure how comfortable I am with something like this being a no harm/no foul kind of call, as there are other concerns beyond a horse\'s potential placing, though perhaps that\'s the only basis upon which the stewards can rule.

[sighthound]

I agree to disagree with Flighted Iron.  Sincere but friendly disagreement, FI.

JR - if the horse had any run left, she wouldn\'t have been able to push him out.  He was leg-weary.  Watch the race, and look at the chiclets - he was already dropping back.  The jock on Goldi saw it, and took his path.

[sighthound]

It wasn\'t a 2-horse race.  It was this race, this time, these horses, this stretch run, that moment.  There was a tiring horse, a half-length of opening, the jock on the accelerating horse with finish took it.

That\'s how I saw it, especially after watching the replay.  Your mileage may vary.

[JR]

Any other race on any other day with a bunch of no names and she comes down.

[MO]

Since we are talking about bad calls in big races, why wasn\'t Sunday Silence dq\'d in the Derby? He nearly put Northern Wolf over the rail. I asked Dr Manuel Gilman this very question back then and he replied \"It\'s Churchill, it\'s the Derby, no body gets dq\'d in the Derby.