Upon Further Review.......

[Rich Curtis]

Jimbo,

  I first started pushing for Thoro-Graph to make pace figures back in about 2000, and I\'d push every year after that, to the point where it became a running joke between JB and me.

  I always thought it ironic that the people who were best-equipped to make pace figures (TG and Rags) were the least interested in pace. Anyway, JB would respond that they had experimented with pace figures and the results were a mess because of individual race strategy, jockey rating, etc. (And Ragozin apparently had the same problem, because he said he would be making pace figures, but he never followed through.) I would then respond that there would always be extreme messiness in pace figures for just those reasons, but they were worth making anyway.

That\'s the background. Now, after the Race Shapes were \"wrong\" about Awesome Gem, do you think it would have been proper for me to, say, skip off to a Mediterranean island and wash my hands of everything?

 Finally, if you think I was over the top somewhere, please give me an example.

[jimbo66]

Rich,

Was a joke.  I guess a poor one, since I am explaining it!

Jim

[jack72906]

Great story Rick. It\'s good to hear things like that in an era where full \"albums\" no longer mean anything. It\'s all about the singles these days. Not to take anything away from the many talented artists out there, but it it was it is.

About a year ago I saw Billy Bob Thornton interview with Bill Maher. BBT was telling a story about a conversation that he was having with a young 20 something assistant to the assistant... The subject of music came up and after she rattled off a number of one hit wonders, he asked her to name any band/artist that started after 1983 that we\'ll be talking about in 30 years.

It\'s a great conversation starter anywhere....

[jumpnthefire]

speaking of Springsteen Boss!!

[BB]

Thanks, Rick. With all this I had to listen to most of the album when I got home from work today. It will never get old.

[BB]

\"It was hard to get much better than when he and Clapton got together.\"

Yep! In particular (for me, anyway) the last few minutes of \"Layla\" and all 4 minutes and 41 seconds of \"Why Does Love Have to be so Sad?\".

[jma11473]

As far as what we\'ll still be talking about in 30 years, that was what they said about Elvis in 1956 too....he and rock and roll were just a passing fad. Same thing they said about the Beatles in 1964. So it\'s sort of hard to say what we\'ll be talking about in 30 years, and the older generation always thinks today\'s music is crap.

[Lost Cause]

Agree with you.  I think a lot of the music today is just garbage but then again my parents and uncles thought the music I listened to was crap.  It\'s all nostalgia for every generation.  You attach the songs you grew up with to the defining moments in your life and make them \"the greatest song ever\"...  I still think Knocking on heavens door (Reggae version) is one of the greats because I caught one of the hottest girls in the club while that song was playing.

I played Hootie and the Blowfish for my younger brother (23) the other day and he laughed at me..meanwhile I love their songs..

[jack72906]

I never said that I thought today\'s music was \"crap\". Go back and read the part where I recognized that there are a lot of talented people out there today.

The question proposed was name anyone who started after 1983 (28 years ago) that we\'ll be talking about 30 years from now. REM is probably one of only a handful of artists/bands that comes to mind.

[Topcat]

jma11473 Wrote:
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> As far as what we\'ll still be talking about in 30
> years, that was what they said about Elvis in 1956
> too....he and rock and roll were just a passing
> fad. Same thing they said about the Beatles in
> 1964. So it\'s sort of hard to say what we\'ll be
> talking about in 30 years, and the older
> generation always thinks today\'s music is crap.

Ed Sullivan and (especially) Sinatra were wrong about
a few future trends . . .