Always negative

[TGJB]

First of all, 21 days and short rest are two separate things. Secondly, all horses coming back quick and young horses coming back qick are two different things. Third, horses coming back quick and horses coming back quick off huge efforts are two different things. Fourth, running well and staying in one piece afterward are two different things.

If you go back and look at the 08 Derby seminar, I both said to use Eight Belles, AND that she was in danger.

Other than that I got nothing.

[miff]

Not really JB,forever you have talked of more rest being better without the qualification you just made.The next thing is to look at is your own : TG EFFORT DISTRIBUTION FOR 3YOS IN RACE SUBSEQUENTTO -1 FIGURE OR BETTER EARNED BEFORE JULY

Cov was not in the correct area code with his explanation of two neg figs(instead on one) and ALL subsequently being \"KNOCKED OUT\"

If you now look at what the game is all about, you will see that 8-10 WON their very next start, a fairly high percentage of the whole number in the study.I would have loved to own some of those \"KNOCKED OUT\" horses after their pre july neg fig.


Mike

[Funny Cide]

The fillies in Europe beat males over turf, an equalizing surface due to the pace.  Top fillies can hold their own going sprints and in turf races (dawdling earlier then sprint to the finish).  Mixing it up with the boys for the entire distance of a route, having to go fast the entire distance, that\'s a different ballgame.

[Funny Cide]

The fastest filly of all time (at least on TG numbers)

I\'ve a question about this.  I understand that she got an other-worldly number (guess I\'m not supposed to say aloud here).  I\'m not understanding what made this the case.  What was so terrific about the time and what was so terrible about the trip that equal this filly supposedly running \"faster\" than all before?  THere has to be an equation here that reaches this conclusion and as much as I admire the filly, I don\'t see it.

[Funny Cide]

Smarty Jones was retired with a superficial injury that occurred after he was a victim of quite a bit of \"race-riding\" in the Belmont, where he fought off multiple pace challenges at a distance he was not well suited for. If he wasn\'t worth so much, he would not have been retired.

You are in error about SJ.  His injury wasn\'t superficial at all but quite serious.  He had extensive bone bruising, I believe in all 4 limbs, and that is caused over time.

[mjellish]

She wins the Oaks by over 20, comes home her last 1/8th in a shade over 12 flat afer pressing an honest pace the entire way on a clumpy, drying out track and does all of this under wraps with the jock doing nothing more than to point at and pet her from the 8th pole on.

Now I\'ll concede the overall talent of the field wasn\'t what we normally see in the Oaks.  But I think the final time of the race and the overall figure are legit.  Watch the way she runs.  Watch the way she gallops out after that race as if she could keep laying down 12 and change 1/8ths for another 1/2 mile or more.  She just skips over the dirt and kicks out from behind like an absolute freak!

If she gets in the Preakness, trains well leading up to the race, draws well and goes off at 9/5 or so that could turn out to be the bargain of the year.  She could run 4 points slower and still probably win with a hand ride.