Stardom Bound-Bridgejumpers Were Sweating It

[Silver Charm]

Total Show Pool:$508,192 Bet on the 1 Stardom Bound $420,341

Four horses within a head at the wire.

At the sixteenth pole Frankel was probably starting to dial:

1-800-GAR-RETT

These 10 wide trips turning for home need to stop.......

[smalltimer]

Did she win?

[jimbo66]

She won, but I wouldn\'t be so in love with the win for her.  This was maybe the worst Grade 1 field ever assembled and Stardom Bound was more than \"life and death\" to win and never looked good at any point in the race.

She should have lost today, won\'t race in the SA Derby, and will lose against fillies next time out.  (with or without a ground saving ride).

[Dana666]

I\'d love to book your bet against next time. There was an impossible bias she ran against, you couldn\'t close a step, nor be wide -- I said to a friend at the track that was the worst looking race on paper, yet her effort was tremendous and completely hidden!

[jimbo66]

Dana666,

Glad you like the filly.  The sport needs superstars.  But even a \"hidden\" effort against a bunch of slow rat fillies with no stakes experience amongst them, and many trying a route for the first time, is NOT really a \"hidden effort\".  Stardom Bound is slow.

I only hope that she runs in the Oaks and doesn\'t try the SA Derby and Kentucky Derby.  There will be no value in betting against her in the SA Derby or Kentucky Derby as the sharp money will now realize that she is over-rated.  However, she will still be a strong favorite in the Oaks and she won\'t win that race.  If she races in it, perhaps we can find a way for you to book my bets....

Nice precocious 2 year old synthetic filly.  Period.

[imallin]

Another factor is this \'win\' took something out of her. She galloped out tired and didn\'t look like a filly who \'wanted more\' coming back to be unsaddled. I agree, she\'s a phenominal bet-against next time at a very short price v fillies.

[Silver Charm]

I will say this say this, at least she is still around. A lot of these two year filly champs were gone by now. Also she is still winning just not quite as good as the owners hyped her up to be. They were thinking about the boys before she had proven she could handle the girls.

But the 10 wide turning for home trips need to stop. If you are really good you do not need to do this because in the end you have to work that much harder.

Tactical speed, rating, acceleration and heart are characteristics of the great ones. With Stardom Bound I am still watching and waiting.

[imallin]

She\'s 10 wide because she\'s 1-5 every time.

Mike Smith rode Zenyatta and he does the same thing, goes very wide. There was one race however at Del Mar (i think) where Smith saved ground with zenyatta and would not have won without that ride. I wonder if he\'s smart enough to know SB isn\'t good enough to do the 10 wide thing all the time. He needs to ride her like she\'s a 5-1 shot and realize he needs to save ground (next time) to have a shot to win.

[Silver Charm]

If you have confidence in your horse and yourself you can get tucked up inside and then make a move.

If you have neither you go 10 wide

[P-Dub]

Silver Charm Wrote:
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> If you have confidence in your horse and yourself
> you can get tucked up inside and then make a move.
>
>
> If you have neither you go 10 wide


Great,  lets blast Mike Smith again.

I love it when guys from the grandstand make these remarks. Like you would even have the balls to do what these people do every day.

He goes wide because he\'s on the best horse. He will go inside when necessary.

Give it a rest already.

[Silver Charm]

Then go inside and give her a rest. Where she doesn\'t have to work as hard.

Unless she doesn\'t like it in there, or is too lumbering to get out of the pocket, or if the jock is worried if I get trapped and get her beat then I lose the mount.

I see she is heading to Keeneland next where there is that short stretch. Should be interesting.

PS-Mike Smith is a good guy and a class act. Back off P-Dub.

[smalltimer]

I\'m with P-Dub on this one.

At this point, I think Frankel has done a horse-shit job with this filly.  Does he really have her fully cranked to beat fields that they probably took for granted they could win with class?  I haven\'t looked and don\'t know what the Beyer numbers or TG numbers are this year compared to last, but she\'s a large 8 to 10 points slower in the numbers I use.    
In looking at the numbers, she\'s about 5-7 lengths slower than her last 2 outs at age 2.  Early developer who suddenly lost interest in running, or does she still have that 5-7 lengths in her?  
The one thing I have noticed this year, is she is having to run @ 2 lengths quicker to the first call, maybe because the 3 year olds are just a little quicker than she was used to last year.  Her Late Pace numbers are pathetic compared to last year, @ 7 lengths slower.  Same surface, same horse, etc.
As far as being wide into the stretch, she\'s always been at least 5w into the stretch in her last 5 Grade 1 wins.  Nothing new there, putting Garrett up isn\'t gonna make her suddenly come up the rail, and if she does, it doesn\'t guarantee she\'s gonna be the winner.  
Her winning margins are always 1.5 lengths, 1.25 lengths, a nose, so she isn\'t or hasn\'t been the type to win by a bunch of open lengths.
On paper, and off these first 2 races in \'09, yes, she looks totally beatable by some really good fillies.  But, they better come to run because this little gal may not be ready to lose just yet.  
Against the boys?  Forget it... I am a fan of this filly and of Mike Smith, but I think she looks overmatched against Pioneer, Pamplemousse, and a half dozen of the better males on the West Coast.
I think the connections best stick with the fillies.

[P-Dub]

Silver Charm Wrote:
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> Then go inside and give her a rest. Where she
> doesn\'t have to work as hard.
>
> Unless she doesn\'t like it in there, or is too
> lumbering to get out of the pocket, or if the jock
> is worried if I get trapped and get her beat then
> I lose the mount.

So unless you know this, why criticize??


>
> I see she is heading to Keeneland next where there
> is that short stretch. Should be interesting.
>
> PS-Mike Smith is a good guy and a class act. Back
> off P-Dub.

Yes he is. Thats got nothing to do with it.

I mentioned in an earlier post that he gave Becrux a fantastic ride on BC weekend, saving ground while closing on the inside to win a stakes on the undercard. In the 2 races on that horse following that win.  the comments read...

-rallied between foes late
-settled, bit off rail, inside, lacked room 1/8, split foes 1/16

Does that sound like a guy that lacks courage, confidence, or ability??

Its people that criticize others, who usually have never done what they are criticizing, that gets tiresome. Perhaps its you that should back off.