"Workoutz"

Started by Chuckles_the_Clown2, April 28, 2008, 03:04:52 PM

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Chuckles_the_Clown2

Interesting Day of Workouts at Churchill Down. The last major drill for these horses. Watch the workouts before you watch the commentary and then compare and contrast what you viewed with the words of the site \"experts\". Here are my general impressions:

Visionaire- He went around in :48.4, which is consistent with his workout history, but probably a little slow for the strip. The really troubling thing is he could not get interested enough to run down his workmate. (Never did get by him.) Very Negative final tune up.

Denis of Cork- :48, I really wished this one had missed the field as both an incentive and penalty to those that think you can run in the Derby as a maiden. (Thats where we are going at the current rate. We\'ll calculate earnings based upon what their sires earned.) But he\'s in now and we have to factor him. Talk about a beautiful rail skimming move, but Borel was up and he is the master. I loved the head pat Borel gave him post wire and how difficult it was to pull him up. He\'s gonna be far, far, behind early and the pace will be an issue for him. Still, he looked good, even though the time was not spectacular.

Pyro-49.4,The onsite commentators loved it. Pyro doesn\'t throw scalding works, on that track you\'d have thought there\'d be more to this one, especially coming off the Bluegrass Debacle. Pretty sure the commentators are somehow \"vested\" in him. In a head to head of back pack hoping closers, I\'ll take Denis of Cork.

Z Fortune- :51, Well, the New York Bred Slow Rat lived up to the moniker Richie Rat Poison bestowed upon him. The vested commentators opined \"Man was that slow\". They didn\'t realize they were witnessing a modified \"two minute lick\". They\'ll let anybody comment or bet upon this race.

Big Truck-:59.4, Quite simply the work of the day. He did not like the goop in his last race.

What do you think?

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toppled

I\'d be more worried about Z Fortune if I didn\'t know his history of slow works before his best races
Work before good second from post 11 in Ark Derby: 4/7 50.1 B
Work before good second in Risen Star: 2/4 50.1 B
Work before winning Lacomte : 1/7 50.1 B
Now this work was 4/5 second slower than those, but this is also with a 3 week interval between races.  Asmussen just doesn\'t push this horse hard in the morning.  
Now he\'ll be one of my plays & the female side is light on distance and he does have some negatives.  But he\'s going to be part of a $150-300 Oaks/Derby DD willpay & at those odds I\'ll take my shot with Pure Clan & Proud Spell.

TreadHead

Some head-to-head matchups are now available on Bodog.  I thought the most interesting one was this one:

Pyro -200
ZFortune +150

If you dislike Pyro as much as I do, this appears to be one of the best matchups currently available.  That, and any one involving playing against Millenium Wind, err I mean TOE (sorry, the sheets looked so similar I got confused).

Barry Irwin

Luckless writes \"Visionaire- He went around in :48.4, which is consistent with his workout history, but probably a little slow for the strip. The really troubling thing is he could not get interested enough to run down his workmate. (Never did get by him.) Very Negative final tune up.\"



Thank God!

Now my colt really does have a chance.

Luckless obviously knew Matz\' game plan going into the work. Keep it up Luckless.

big18741

Concur on Visionaire.Tossed from the tri-getting ready to super toss him unless he draws inside.

Denis of Cork was really fine-he\'s light on seasoning but loves the strip.Could get some of this.

I expected a lot more out of Pyro today.

Asmussen seems very concerned that Z Fortune ran a hard one in the Arkansas Derby.That -0.75 has him worried.The work isn\'t a dealbreaker for me,but the conditioners comments might be.

Big Truck is a fast workhorse plain and simple.His tab has plenty of bullets.He even cranked one out at Keeneland before the Bluegrass.He was a toss for me and this work doesn\'t change my mind.

Silver Charm

Barry,

I thought all of the works I saw from today were half full-half empty.

Yours was in the half full side.

You can\'t fool me.

Zilver Zharm

Chuckles_the_Clown2

Jerry, Barry is back and I don\'t think he\'s gonna play nice.

Barry, everytime you make an appearance you get Jerry\'s board all cluttered up with nastiness and he has to delete the thread.

I have to correct the time of Visionaire\'s work. I originally heard 48.4, it now appears it\'s 48.40, which is 48 2/5\'s.

Barry, after viewing the tape it appears they gave him something to run at, but he couldn\'t run it down and he was trying. Thats a 48 2/5 with a running start. What was the grey horses name? (Later, found out it was a maiden filly.)

Michael Matz is a hero. He survived a terrible plane crash and saved some little girls in the process. He\'s won the Kentucky Derby. He\'s an olympic equestrian and he knows his horses. I want to commend you again upon selecting Michael Matz as your conditioner. I hope you utilize him whenever you can. Your decision regarding Matz is on a par of sorts with your selection of Captain Bodgit some years ago. Jerry\'s horse won a Belmont, but yours was a top flight animal too.

The work is a little better than I at first thought.

Barry Irwin Wrote:
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> Luckless writes \"Visionaire- He went around in
> :48.4, which is consistent with his workout
> history, but probably a little slow for the strip.
> The really troubling thing is he could not get
> interested enough to run down his workmate. (Never
> did get by him.) Very Negative final tune up.\"
>
>
>
> Thank God!
>
> Now my colt really does have a chance.
>
> Luckless obviously knew Matz\' game plan going into
> the work. Keep it up Luckless.