A Saratoga Saturday

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Lawyer Ron set a track record in the Whitney. That was motoring, though the track was kind to near pace horses.

Pletch commented that Lawyer Ron is a \"good horse\". Say it ain\'t so Pletch? He was a good horse when conditioned by Bob Holthus, why shouldn\'t he finally be a good horse when handled by you? Another question we are asking is \"Why did it take you so long?\" and lastly, What have you added to his training regimen?:

http://www.drf.com/news/article/87111.html

Commentator proved once again he really, really does not want a pace challenge. (Though the crowd is finally getting hip to his one dimensional style. He went off third choice at about 3-1) Commentator might have faired better in the Whitney. For those that are keeping score the horse that cooked him in the Vanderbilt is the same horse that cooked Lost in the Fog in the Breeders Cup Sprint, when the latter was being compared to Man O\' War. Attila\'s was a good horse at good odds. Hopefully he\'ll get the big piece one day.

Lastly Rags to Riches has had more checkups with Vets now than than Alberto Speedy Gonzalez has told lies in hearings. I\'m starting to wonder if we\'ll ever see either of them in top form again. For Rags that means catching a fatigued field, For Gonzo of course that means violating the Constitution in a surreptitious way.

[spa]

Chuckles, I think you need some fresh material................

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

spa Wrote:
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> Chuckles, I think you need some fresh
> material................


Really? I\'m much more prone to stick with what works. New Material is vastly overrated.

I think I\'ve beaten Commentator 5 times in 6 tries now. (Beat means cashing against him if theres any confusion)

Pletch had a light schedule for Whitney day, so betting against him was hard to do. I was happy with Lawyer Ron winning the Whitney, because I don\'t consider that Pletch\'s horse, though it did appear a bit fast from past efforts.

Mario Pino outrode Garrett Gomez. It was a good Saturday, who needs new material.

Now got a Jim Dandy to win. I got this one Cold.

[spa]

Chuck...go west young man. Forget 2/5, Delmar\'s feature offers 20/1 with Northern Soldier. Make some real money......................

[Michael D.]

spa Wrote:
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> Chuck...go west young man. Forget 2/5, Delmar\'s
> feature offers 20/1 with Northern Soldier. Make
> some real money......................


20-1 on poly? too short.

I\'m going with ghostchance at 30-1.

[Barry Irwin]

Because Chuckles is such a sick puppy, I hesitate to respond to him, because like all dumb animals he will only be encouraged to continue to behave irresponsibly.

But I am going to indluge him this one time.

Lawyer Ron, when trained by Bob Holthus, was a run off in the mornings and lots of times in the afternoon. He was ridden by an inadequate exercise rider. I like Bob, but he can be a stubborn old guy and, although warned about this, he continued to use the same person.

The reason it has taken Todd Pletcher so long to get Lawyer ron to respond as he did on Saturday, is that it has been a long, tedious process to get the colt to become kind enough to use his enormous talent.

When I bought Lawyer Ron for his current vast majority owner, the guy wanted him to stand at stud this year. I advised against it and told him to give Pletcher enough time to work with the colt, because I felt he would achieve the results he did last weekend. The colt probably triple or quadrupled his stud fee in that one race.

[Silver Charm]

Barry Irwin wrote,

\"The colt probably triple or quadrupled his stud fee in that one race.\"

Barry is that alone enough incentive for the Track Manipulation that occurred on Saturday prior to the Whitney and is it possible Pletcher had something to do with it?

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

It takes a while to work the drugs \"responsibly\" into the horses system. A little too much and you get a \"Left Bank\" or \"Rags to Riches\" result. They have very sensitive systems.

Saratoga can play quick and its not coincidental that the track record Left Bank held is now owned by Lawyer Ron.

I\'m not sure what an isolated Whitney win really does for a stud fee. My guess is it will do as much for Lawyer Ron as it has done for Commentator.

Lawyer Ron ran a substantial schedule at 2 and 3, but he ran clean. Now that his \'training\" has changed, expect the end for him very shortly now.

If you want to considering doping \"out-training\" thats your prerogative, but the folks that I know who run horses would never involve themselves with Todd Pletcher.

What I consider \"sick\" are those that say one thing and do another. Those that turn a blind eye to both legality and humanity because there are dollars to be collected by going along. Iraq is like that and unfortunately those that take advantage won\'t limit themselves to manipulating humans. Your stud fee comment let this board know whats important to you.

Pletch needs to follow Frankels lead and dump the dope.


 Barry Irwin Wrote:
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> Because Chuckles is such a sick puppy, I hesitate
> to respond to him, because like all dumb animals
> he will only be encouraged to continue to behave
> irresponsibly.
>
> But I am going to indluge him this one time.
>
> Lawyer Ron, when trained by Bob Holthus, was a run
> off in the mornings and lots of times in the
> afternoon. He was ridden by an inadequate exercise
> rider. I like Bob, but he can be a stubborn old
> guy and, although warned about this, he continued
> to use the same person.
>
> The reason it has taken Todd Pletcher so long to
> get Lawyer ron to respond as he did on Saturday,
> is that it has been a long, tedious process to get
> the colt to become kind enough to use his enormous
> talent.
>
> When I bought Lawyer Ron for his current vast
> majority owner, the guy wanted him to stand at
> stud this year. I advised against it and told him
> to give Pletcher enough time to work with the
> colt, because I felt he would achieve the results
> he did last weekend. The colt probably triple or
> quadrupled his stud fee in that one race.

[Silver Charm]

Barry,

This from the Bloodhorse website and adding more to the mystery. Why is Trainer Todd Pletcher is being asked by NYRA to authenticate the final time of a race won by a horse he trains.

Your silence will only further implicate his involvement and guilt!


\"We are reviewing it,\" New York Racing Association spokesman John Lee said. \"So far, every test we\'ve put it through the time came out to be accurate -- they correspond to the tele-timer.

\"We checked with the hand timers in the clocker\'s stand, with individual timers and (winning trainer) Todd Pletcher, and their times checked out.\"

Lee said placing judge Steve Foster and other racing officials will review the race again Monday.

\"We don\'t want to establish a major track record like this by mistake,\" NYRA chairman Steve Duncker told The Form.

[fkach]

I don\'t understand the question. The implication must be that Pletcher times the races of his horses also. I don\'t know why he would bother doing that unless he doesn\'t trust the teletimer and/or various figure makers though.

I\'m not sure why this is such a big issue other than the track record.

We\'ve seen this about a thousand times already.

It couldn\'t be more obvious that Jerry (and many other figure makers) are right on the issue of tracks changing speed due to moisture, maintenance, and other factors. In addition:

Teletimers sometimes malfunction.  

The wind gusts.

The length of the run up changes.

The pace can affect final time.

Drafting can affect time.

The development and competitive nature of the race can affect time.

Figure makers sort through all these issues and use a methodolgy for estimating how fast or well horses ran on any given day. They\'ll do the same thing for the Whitney.

[Lost Cause]

Doping issues aside, Pletcher has done a good job getting this horse to settle down, he used to be rank in a lot of races..When he settles down and rates kindly, the performance can be monstrous as evidenced by Saturday..

[fkach]

>Doping issues aside, Pletcher has done a good job getting this horse to settle down, he used to be rank in a lot of races..When he settles down and rates kindly, the performance can be monstrous as evidenced by Saturday..<

That\'s the point that Barry is making.

Last year everyone was saying that the horse\'s rankness was hurting him. Now that it seems to have been corrected, instead of the assumption being that he both developed from 3 to 4 and is now maximizing his talent, the assumption is that he\'s drugged.

[marcus]

Nice pick - up , I had a\"funny\" feeling in my gut (that I should have heeded ) when going against him in a contest Saturday  ...

[Barry Irwin]

It rained hard before the races on Saturday. The track was fast all day. Did you not notice the NY-bred sprint?

[Barry Irwin]

Does this fiasco even require further comment from anybody?