JERRY NEEDS TO STOP THIS STUFF

[high roller]

This morning in a workout the Belmont Thief balked. She took a funny step and was pulled up. Pletcher couldn\'t see a thing wrong, so he\'s called in his \"go to guy\", \"Allday the Needle\". Allday is going to give her a good \"going over\", which probably means what you suspect.


First off if you read the recent issue of Bloodhorse which featured a profile and interview of Dr. Allday, he states that he is 100% for drug free racing. His expertise is in analyzing problems.

He hasn\'t administered a needle to a horse in years and years. Guys like TAP are super sharp, with 100-150 million dollars worth of horse, they also outwork everyone and outspend everyone on every supplement or therapy available.

Jerry you need to stop the morons who populate your board from slandering people.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

high roller Wrote:
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> This morning in a workout the Belmont Thief
> balked. She took a funny step and was pulled up.
> Pletcher couldn\'t see a thing wrong, so he\'s
> called in his \"go to guy\", \"Allday the Needle\".
> Allday is going to give her a good \"going over\",
> which probably means what you suspect.
>
>
> First off if you read the recent issue of
> Bloodhorse which featured a profile and interview
> of Dr. Allday, he states that he is 100% for drug
> free racing.

Of Course he\'s for Drug Free Racing, but he meant \"everyone else\" not him. Kinda like one of George W. Bush\'s signing statements, if you know what those are.

>His expertise is in analyzing
> problems.
> He hasn\'t administered a needle to a horse in
> years and years.

Really now? Who told you that? You mean not even one little prick for the preakness or belmont. You don\'t really expect anyone to believe that do you? Oh ok. post the source.

>Guys like TAP are super sharp,
> with 100-150 million dollars worth of horse, they
> also outwork everyone and outspend everyone on
> every supplement or therapy available.

Pletcher was just another Lukas aide until he found Allday. At that point some impressionable folks started writing the things you just did. Pletchers got an edge but is has nothing to do with the things you wrote. After all who did he call when Rags balked? You can call it sharp if you want. Theres more honest words for it though.
>
> Jerry you need to stop the morons who populate
> your board from slandering people.

Yes and those that tell made up tales and lies too.

[richiebee]

Chuckles:

Dont know why I am replying, but here goes.

The same document which allows you freedom of expression, for which you thanked
our host profusely, unfortunately mandates the following:

1) A certain NFL star, accused of hateful indecencies against animals, is
innocent until proven guilty;

2) A certain NBA referee, accused of being what amounts to an employee of the
Gambino crime family, is innocent until proven guilty;

3) A certain French horse trainer, already excluded from the sport in Hong
Kong, is allowed to continue to train racehorses even though those horses might
one day just as likely be seen slithering through the grass rather than running
over it;

4) A certain baseball star, chasing one of the most iconic records in sports, is
allowed to continue his chase even though it is possible he will have process
served upon him as he crosses home plate after belting number 756.

Aint that America/ Home of the Free

Now repeat after me: \"Our Todd is an awesome Todd.\"

TAP will retire holding just about every major training record when all is said
and done. This is not to say that he is a better horseman than the Whiteleys,the
Jones boys, MacK Miller, Mott, McGaughey, Whittingham, the man you
call \"Jerkins\", Mandella, etc.

TAP has taken the model created by his mentor, DWL, and expanded on it and
perfected it. TAP has built an equine empire whereby he has the privilege of
training for some of the top owners in the country. Of course, one day someone
will write a book about TAP just like the book that Steve Crist wrote about DWL
documenting some of the high priced failures which never made the races. (I
think the name of the book is \"Lukas at Auction\" and I think the book concluded
that for all of Gene Klein\'s high profile victories with Lukas, the Klein
stable was not profitable). [CORRECTION: LUKAS AT AUCTION WAS AUTHORED BY JOE
BAGAN; STEVE CRIST MAY HAVE COMMENTED ON THE BOOK OR REVIEWED IT].

I do not know what Pletcher\'s lifetime record is in terms of number of horses
saddled. Between 10,000 and 15,000? One positive. Mepivocaine. (sp)? The way
that Pletcher\'s far reaching stable is run, with deputies given most of the
responsibility for the day to day maintenance of the runners, it is almost
unfair to hold him to the strict liability of the trainer responsibility rule,
but that is the price he must pay for being the trainer of record for this
large number of runners.

Pletcher fought the suspension based on that one positive. I remember that this
upset me at the time, that an appeal should take more than 2-1/2 years to run
its course, that it was a mockery of the entire process. Now I kind of admire
him, for fighting to protect what has been a clean record. I
especially admire his protection of his own reputation when I consider the
record of another Allday client, the man Robespierre calls RD2, whose runners
routinely test positive on the NY circuit; RD2 invariably waives his right of
appeal, for which he is always rewarded by the stewards with a reduced
suspension.

Now lets get to Doc Allday, the man in the white Mercedes. I know nothing about
him except what I read on this board, and that he is entrusted with some of the
world\'s most valuable horseflesh, which includes RTR (when they go to breed her
or sell her foals, the discussion will not be about whether her Belmont TG and
Beyer #s were inflated). I do know that when a vet is under suspicion or
eventually caught, Racing has historically not been kind to said vet (Doc
Galvin, ie and \"google\" if you want Leonard Patrick, DVM; it also seems that
Rod Stewart, Biancone\'s vet, is on the hot seat.)

Though we disagree here, I\'m glad you have returned. Loose cannons (I count
myself as one) occasionally hit the target. If you\'re at the Spa this weekend,
I\'ll buy you a soda pop.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

I love New York, Saratoga, the upstate mountains, Hillary Rodham Clinton. The City is a wonderful visit. I\'ve been to every track in New York except Finger Lakes. New Yorkers are great but for the folks in the Finger Lakes area. Over there they seem out of \"Deliverance\". I\'m not sure why? Toxic water? Heavy Metals from industry dumping? It may be Inbreeding...\"West of Ithaca\".

I\'m spending some time to unseat my Congressman and probably won\'t make the SPA this year, no plans but things can change quick too, regardless it will be my preferred wagering site. Thanks for the offer. My congressman is a bellwether and its suddenly looking iffy for him. If he goes down they will go down in droves across the country.

Funny you mention Barry Bonds and how closely linked to Steroids he is with his Homer Output suddenly increasing late in his career. He was always a good player, certainly more accomplished than Pletcher, but his power did come late.

Bonds has a better rap sheet too I think. Pletcher has a few convictions.

There\'s some richiebee Wrote:
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> Chuckles:
>
> Dont know why I am replying, but here goes.
>
> The same document which allows you freedom of
> expression, for which you thanked
> our host profusely, unfortunately mandates the
> following:
>
> 1) A certain NFL star, accused of hateful
> indecencies against animals, is
> innocent until proven guilty;
>
> 2) A certain NBA referee, accused of being what
> amounts to an employee of the
> Gambino crime family, is innocent until proven
> guilty;
>
> 3) A certain French horse trainer, already
> excluded from the sport in Hong
> Kong, is allowed to continue to train racehorses
> even though those horses might
> one day just as likely be seen slithering through
> the grass rather than running
> over it;
>
> 4) A certain baseball star, chasing one of the
> most iconic records in sports, is
> allowed to continue his chase even though it is
> possible he will have process
> served upon him as he crosses home plate after
> belting number 756.
>
> Aint that America/ Home of the Free
>
> Now repeat after me: \"Our Todd is an awesome
> Todd.\"
>
> TAP will retire holding just about every major
> training record when all is said
> and done. This is not to say that he is a better
> horseman than the Whiteleys,the
> Jones boys, MacK Miller, Mott, McGaughey,
> Whittingham, the man you
> call \"Jerkins\", Mandella, etc.
>
> TAP has taken the model created by his mentor,
> DWL, and expanded on it and
> perfected it. TAP has built an equine empire
> whereby he has the privilege of
> training for some of the top owners in the
> country. Of course, one day someone
> will write a book about TAP just like the book
> that Steve Crist wrote about DWL
> documenting some of the high priced failures which
> never made the races. (I
> think the name of the book is \"Lukas at Auction\"
> and I think the book concluded
> that for all of Gene Klein\'s high profile
> victories with Lukas, the Klein
> stable was not profitable). .
>
> I do not know what Pletcher\'s lifetime record is
> in terms of number of horses
> saddled. Between 10,000 and 15,000? One positive.
> Mepivocaine. (sp)? The way
> that Pletcher\'s far reaching stable is run, with
> deputies given most of the
> responsibility for the day to day maintenance of
> the runners, it is almost
> unfair to hold him to the strict liability of the
> trainer responsibility rule,
> but that is the price he must pay for being the
> trainer of record for this
> large number of runners.
>
> Pletcher fought the suspension based on that one
> positive. I remember that this
> upset me at the time, that an appeal should take
> more than 2-1/2 years to run
> its course, that it was a mockery of the entire
> process. Now I kind of admire
> him, for fighting to protect what has been a clean
> record. I
> especially admire his protection of his own
> reputation when I consider the
> record of another Allday client, the man
> Robespierre calls RD2, whose runners
> routinely test positive on the NY circuit; RD2
> invariably waives his right of
> appeal, for which he is always rewarded by the
> stewards with a reduced
> suspension.
>
> Now lets get to Doc Allday, the man in the white
> Mercedes. I know nothing about
> him except what I read on this board, and that he
> is entrusted with some of the
> world\'s most valuable horseflesh, which includes
> RTR (when they go to breed her
> or sell her foals, the discussion will not be
> about whether her Belmont TG and
> Beyer #s were inflated). I do know that when a vet
> is under suspicion or
> eventually caught, Racing has historically not
> been kind to said vet (Doc
> Galvin, ie and \"google\" if you want Leonard
> Patrick, DVM; it also seems that
> Rod Stewart, Biancone\'s vet, is on the hot seat.)
>
> Though we disagree here, I\'m glad you have
> returned. Loose cannons (I count
> myself as one) occasionally hit the target. If
> you\'re at the Spa this weekend,
> I\'ll buy you a soda pop.

[cubfan0316]

some people are so naive.its all about drugs, who comes up with the undetectable ones and how they get administered.

[ditz]

Just wondering if anyone has thoughts on Jacobson getting his trainers licence..And then there is that Paraneck crew..Lots of shady business  going on at the races ..I think there is more to be investigated than Pletcher..

[fkach]

I\'ve never really understood the attacks on Pletcher on this board.

Of all the super trainers with high win percentages, at least you can make a reasonable case that with the stock he gets and the skill he has at spotting his horses (for example, he handles his 3YOs in the spring Derby preps brilliantly every year, spotting each in the race where it can win) he has a huge advantage.

There are so many easier and more obvious targets for attack when it comes to the drug issue.

[richiebee]

Kind of hard to accuse the Paraneck crew of performance enhancement as they
have maintained a strike rate of between 7% - 10% over the last 5 or so years.

Congrats to Belmont\'s leading trainer G. Contessa and his primary owner the
Winning Move- Up Stable.

If I get banned I guess we know they are TG users.

[TGJB]

Funny.