One Impressed loser...

[shanahan]

ronwar Wrote:
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> I\'m not to sure about who is using what, but it
> seems to me TAP gets a lot of very good well bred
> horses, and does well with them.
>
> Don\'t get me wrong, I\'m no TAP fan or anything,
> but it reminds me when Phil Jackson was winning 9
> championship rings.  Did he turn into a great
> coach, start giving his players steroids, or did
> he just have the best players?  
>
> I haven\'t been around the game too long, but I
> know things go in cycles.  I remember when Baffert
> was winning everything out west...did he loose his
> mojo, Lukas dominated almost every big race for a
> time...what happen?  Things change and I\'m sure
> TAP time will pass to.


Ronwar - I love this analogy with Jackson and the bullls...cyclical is everything...we\'ll see...must drive alm crazy though...

[NoCarolinaTony]

Miff,

I thought English Channel was through and all of a sudden decides to make one late run. Thought that was unusual, cause he certainly looked beat. I needed that 6 in First or second to score.

NC Tony

[NoCarolinaTony]

With the quality and blood stock TAP has, why would you consider his results UNUSUAL or why does have it just has to be drugs?

Some of you guys are sore losers man. Except for My Typhoon, I got my butt kicked at BEL. It\'s not a big deal. We get them next time.

NC Tony

[alm]

\'All of a sudden he makes a late move\'...must be the great training kicking in.

NOT!

[alm]

How could I be a sore loser when I picked the winner?

You can bury your head in the sand or you can question the anomaly of 35% trainers who get drug related suspensions fairly regularly.

Or you can ask yourself why Jeff Mullins slipped from 30% to 12% after SoCal built a multi-million dollar testing lab.

Or you can ask yourself a million other questions, but you shouldn\'t just accept the myth that a handful of horse trainers in 2007 have figured out how to win more than anyone ever did in history.

[marcus]

I anticipated a medium backward move out of Curlin and perhaps wrongly so - with all this \"stuff\" going on these days . Seems to me that both of the Trainers for Rags to Riches and Curlin have experienced some bumps in the road but have paid their debt , and ( none the less , even with CTC2\'s Teuflesberg winning in an earlier race on the Belmont Day card ) , I honestly believe that in the Belmont Stakes  , it was the performance of the horses .

It was amazing to watch the Fillies effort in both the Oaks and Belmont and the Colt\'s Triple Crown campaign , and even with the five races in two months , how he tried to come back on Rags to Riches at three different times in the stretch says to me a lot about those Horses and the Connections.

[ronwar]

lol...that was funny alm

Good point about Mullins.  Oneil is slipping a bit too

[NoCarolinaTony]

You know.....he\'s not a 35% trainer when he is a 22-25% trainer who happens to have the best stock in the country. Not burying my head in the sand either. This is not or was not about Jeff Mullins but specifically TAP and his stock. Now it\'s become the age old indictment of the entire racing and training profession and the old drawn out DRUG conversation. Yes we know it\'s there, yes we can suspect the usual culprits. So I\'m guessing Todd\'s Drugs were better than Steve\'s on Belmont day?

It\'s agreed, there are not that many trainers over 20%, and not many if any near 30%. Same could be said for Home Run Hitters, and Guy\'s who hit over 300 or 320.

It\'s a boring worn out argument. No better yet, it\'s a bad excuse now.

NC Tony

[NoCarolinaTony]

It was the distance of the race. Hasn\'t been like we didn\'t see the same kinda thing in the Preakness.

No You are right, it was the drugs...yeah thats it. it\'s always the drugs.

Hey when you go on the backstretch are there bunches of guys and gals walking around with syringes and hoses to milk shake horses?

How many runners you got up for sale now?

NC Tony

[alm]

I will be getting rid of 7 horses.

As for what goes on backstretch, I get the feeling you\'ve not really been there.  

If you want to believe fairy tales I can\'t help you, but if you want to know what really goes on, you should try to find out.

For example, I once had a trainer who was caught with a kit of syringes in one of his stalls at the track.  He called me to ask if I would testify that I knew for a fact he only used them on his farm!

I fired him, of course.  Only vets can have drugs and syringes backstretch and every track\'s horsemen are serviced by several vets on a daily basis.  One pro-active and motivated vet in a pickup truck can service dozens of horses a day if necessary with any drugs they are carrying.

Just factor into your figures that certain barns horses don\'t seem to bounce when they should and that the majority do.  That way you can account for what\'s going on and keep betting happily, while remaining ignorant of the reasons why it is so.