Len, that one is just unbelievable

[TGJB]

So for those that don\'t go to the Rag board, someone (not even me) called some of the guys there out about some negative comments about ROTW, saying make your own public picks on that race each week in advance, and listing some results from ours (leaving out the Ark Derby exacta, but who\'s counting. There haven\'t been enough good ones recently to skip one, buddy).

So Friedman responds, using the term \"essential dishonesty\", calling him to task for mentioning we said Jazil was the key at 14-1 in the Wood, when we didn\'t like the winner.

Len:

1-- You\'re the guy who just lists all the horses, and never makes an actual play, right? The guy who every time says most of the field should be used in exotics? Have you ever told people how big that exotic play would be, by the way?

2-- You\'re the guy who, after making a list and saying to use 8 horses in exotics in the Arkansas Derby a few years ago (not the winner), posted patting yourself on the back, saying \"one of the horses we liked ran second\". Right?

3-- And then there\'s the big one. In your DRF column for the 96 Belmont you listed horses-- no play-- and commented on each. The fourth and fifth on the list were \"live longshots that must be used in exotics\". They ran out, the first 3 ran 1-2-3.

Yet in Ragozin\'s book-- which you co-wrote-- he says that you gave out a cold trifecta. Right? When you in fact didn\'t give out a trifecta play, or any other play, and certainly told people to use 2 other horses. I would point out that on two occasions in my DRF columns I gave out a specific play (3 horse box, 4 horse box) that gave out the tri in the Derby, at 2k and 1k.

4-- And since we\'re talking about doing a mechanical study, let\'s recall Ragozin\'s system-betting venture in Atlantic City, which was monitored by the DRF. In his book, Len claimed he won over the test period (and again, you are listed as co-author). As Brad Free pointed out in his book review in DRF, that was not true-- Len lost. Right?

[P-Dub]

It was me Jerry.

Sorry I missed one but I was going off memory, a little under the weather, it was late,  and I didn\'t have the energy to research.

Those guys really irritate me with their frat boy comments. If they would engage in serious discourse instead of gang mentality pot shots I would take them more seriously.  

I haven\'t read any comments since I posted, I\'ll check them out. I should probably know better than to respond to their ridiculous posts, but I couldn\'t help myself with that one.

As far as Bob And John, while you didn\'t specifically give him out for that specific race, he was very playable if one wanted to project a forward move. Again, the key to the race was Jazil at a very square price running 2nd. Keying longshots under a favorite is a basic play,  even if just to save.

[P-Dub]

Just checked over there.

I\'m a politician and all future posts will be deleted.

The ROTW is a learning tool. Its why all sheets are included. The beauty of handicapping is that we can use the same information yet come up with different conclusions. You gave out Jazil,  I don\'t need you holding my hand, walking me to the window, and making a wager for me. Playing exactas with the 2 logical other horses wasn\'t hard to come up with.

I\'m done with this Jerry. Keep doing what you\'re doing.

[TGJB]

P-Dub-- and amazingly enough, Len took down the string...

I\'ll tell you, that one got me steamed. That was about as hypocritical as it gets.

[P-Dub]

Nothing rude, profane, or disrespectful.  Just an opinion based on facts.

To outright censure someone under these circumstances is down right shameful. Especially after he gets one last shot in.

Basically, if you don\'t drink the Kool-Aid you aren\'t welcome.

Hope you didn\'t mind my post over there.