hi jerry, there is a horse today \"quickfire\" at santa. i don\'t understand how ytou guys can come up with numbers for them.

tmon: I don\'t know about her numbers but she has placed Group 3 twice. One of the horses who beat her over there was Beautyandthebeast a winner yesterday.

TGAB: We have no observers at the European tracks so we don\'t include ground loss but we look at the lengths beaten, weight, and European data and then approximate a figure for each performance. We\'ve been doing it for a few years now and the figures have held up pretty well.