Triangulate for Reliabilty

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

richiebee Wrote:
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> CTC:
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>  Welcome back.

thx

>  You think the Travers was a good race and the
> horses all fired?

Yes and No...It was a good race and enough of the horses fired. I think the top four fired though someone is gonna have to explain to me why they\'d bet Don\'t Get Mad at 10 marks.
 
>  I didn\'t know the Travers was carried on radio.

I didn\'t either
 
>  Lack of speed and inability to get a certain
> distance are not excuses.
>  Those are weaknesses.

Well, if you\'re talkin Roman Ruler his figure should be right there with Bellamania. The top three got the trip in this weakened version of the Midsummer Classic. Alex on form would have crushed them. Flower Alley has an improving horses shot against the handicappers, but clearly you\'ll want good odds to risk it.

[dodie]

I have to say I can\'t remember the last time I was so interested in a 7 horse race.  (one that I think we can all agree was really a 3 horse race at best, and, to my mind, only a 2 horse race when I got done handicapping)
  I\'ve really enjoyed all the posts.  This is what makes this such a great sport.

A couple of points:

1.  I agree that, in the end, this is really about the breeding shed.  that is where the real money is made.  Anyone who\'s had a nice horse knows that used car salesmen have nothing on the reps from the various breeding outfits as they schmooze and angle there way in to getting the best studs on the most profitable terms.  That\'s why we had a 7 horse feild that only amounted to 3 contenders at best on Saturday.  The triple crown is what gets the attention.  That\'s what everyone shoots for.

2.  That said, Flower Alley stood out once one accepted his conditioning edge over BR, plus the \"effect\" of the Wood, either super effort (read career knockout) or over inflated number that may well be no better that FA\'s -2 in the Dandy.  In any event, neither horse disgraced themselves Saturday.  And I\'m hoping we\'ll get to see them both race at least once before the BC, and against older horses.  Unless one of them shows something special in their next race, I don\'t think they have what it takes to beat older horses.  And I have to say, I like the idea of a Euro shipper, given the continued decimation of the US handicap ranks.

richiebee

\"Class, I say this without animus. When you START a post (to paraphrase) \"Why are you all debating something that is very obvious to me\", you\'re going to tick some folks off. \"

I know. That\'s why I threw in the smiley face.  

Seriously though, I don\'t think there are too many complicating and controversial factors in evaluating BR performances this year unless you view speed figures alone as gospel.