David Patent

[Marc At]

Last thought on this:

\"I said his method allows him to have it both ways.\"

HP,

If he in fact was following through with this and saying: \"I said Light Use In Exotics on this horse yesterday, and then I scored huge by playing him!\" then I think you\'d have a point.

But the guy has never done that; instead, he often does the opposite and points out that he didn\'t hit the race.

He may be leavign himself with some opportunity to have it both ways, but he\'s not following through on it, so who really cares?

Mayeb by being a pain in the ass on this I will subsconsciously influence you to drop it from your list of complaints so you can focus on more serious ones in this breathtaking pissing match.

[superfreakicus]

marc at says it all --- I don\'t know how much more obvious it could be.

just wanted to invite myself to the belmont day contest (time allowing), and I\'d urge jerry to take part, as well --- syndicates are welcome, but remember the $ limit.

I like leaving the gimmicks in, but am a little worried about hail mary plays distorting the results.
how do you guys feel about disallowing gimmicks involving more than 2 horses?
I think this also might discourage spreading and lottery playing.

[HP]

Marc,

I raised this point as an example to Mr. Patent, just out of curiousity as to whether they ever talk about this kind of thing or whether Patent\'s contributions to any conversation are ever anything besides \"I agree with you completely in everything you do.\" If you want to talk about it here, be my guest, but I wouldn\'t call it a \'pissing match.\' It\'s not that important. I\'m a writer and I\'m interested in the choices people make, and I don\'t think these choices are an accident. I wouldn\'t elevate it to \'moral terpitude\' or anything, but he has alternatives and this is the way he goes.

The bottom line in this is whether or not you find Friedman\'s analysis useful. I would say I find it somewhat useful but the \'use lightly in exotics\' stuff on more than half the horses adds absolutely nothing and since it adds absolutely nothing I have to wonder why he does it. Since you have said you don\'t really look to him for specific plays, I have to wonder what you see in saying \'use lightly in exotics\' that makes you think this method is worth defending, since you must get nothing out of it. If he left it out, maybe he\'d have more room to talk about patterns and such. Also, do you really need someone to tell you that more than half the horses in a race can figure to be in the money? As analysis, this is as totally useless as anything I can imagine, and as a handicapper, I\'ve got to believe Friedman has more to offer.

Don\'t forget he leaves up the posts where people congratulate him even as he says he didn\'t hit. This may not seem like a big deal to you. As you put it \"he may be leaving himself the opportunity to have it both ways..\" Now why does he do that? He has nothing to prove, and I\'m sure he does very well. He kicked some major ass in some Vegas tournament recently, and that\'s as public as public handicapping gets. He\'s entitled to post, and if he\'s going to post, he can deal with the comments. It remains on my list of complaints. I\'m glad you think its okay and I\'m wrong. As for \'who cares?\' I don\'t even know anymore.

As for superfreakicus, you can post whatever you like. I originally wanted to do it like the handicapping tourneys with win bets, but David wanted to use gimmicks and suggested $1,000 bet however you want, and that includes gimmicks with more than two horses. Hail Marys are part of the game. I need all the help I can get. It\'s possible given past history that Jerry will do the picks on Belmont day at Belmont and I guess that would constitute his entry. The more people handicap the card and talk about things the better. I\'m interested in the different plays Patent and I come up with using the different products and that\'s about it. HP

[Mall]

Hail Mary plays, spreading, & lottery picks are all part of the game, although I personally would not suggest them for a one day contest with a very limited number of participants, & I doubt very much that the individuals who are posting on the subject are likely to make such plays. Depending on the card, betting the entire stake on a single race might be a more logical approach. More to the point, I thought the contest was between HP the writer & DP of the Harvard Law School. If you are suggesting that it be open to everyone, then the slim chance that the difference between winning & losing will be figure making methods as opposed to the handicapping skill of the participants is all but eliminated. I like HP\'s idea that everyone should make an effort to dope & comment on the card, but I think after that everyone should step aside for a mano a mano tilt that should be far more interesting than Tyson/Lewis. In fact, I\'m tempted to make a line & devise some prop bets on the match, but I only know DP from his posts & I\'m afraid that he might be one of those guys we all know who is illogical & good at handicapping at the same time.

[HP]

In my mind, other people\'s posts won\'t really change the focus of the main event. I didn\'t really want to bet anything on the contest. We\'ll win and lose at the windows and that\'s enough for me. HP

[Anonymous User]

Mall logic will get you killed at the track.

lol

Tabitha

[superfreakicus]

alright, well whatever you guys decide is fine w/me --- it\'s your contest, after all.
I\'ll probably focus on betting opinions w/just a slight spin of contest strategy, anyway.

I don\'t know if I\'ve got time for the whole card, but hopefully I\'ll be able to get in a few spot plays for my entry.
I\'ll tell you right now, one of my plays will probably be chucking WE out of the tri.

..and doing the belmont card at belmont doesn\'t constitute any kind of entry.
I don\'t see any reason jerry can\'t join in on this board friday for the fun of it.
what\'s the big deal?
he can box as many as he wants, as long as he keeps it under the thousand.