Bulletin Boards now on Google!

[Delmar Deb]

The new expanded Google now includes web-based bulletin boards in its database.  Type in \"Steve Allday,vet\" and you will see at least two of the recent TG threads!

More interesting to me, however, was the thread below that is from \"The Chronicle of the Horse\" forum on a new product - oral Sodium Hyulauronic - developed and patented by Dr. Steven Allday!  

The below link (and additional comments within the thread) indicate that these people lost track of Dr. Allday after the move to  Stronach.  However, the product is described as providing joint relief and in one case, enabling a \"cat to scurry along like he used to do years ago\" - even though the product is definitely for horses!

One of the advantages to this product (also contained in remarks on thread) is that the current sodium hylaronic solution available on the market must be administered with an injection and requires a vet...while this oral version (from our Dr. A) is oral and can be given to the horse without the vet\'s fee (or the vet on the premises!).

I recommend you go back to page 1 (this link starts on page 2 with the quote from \"Lord Helpus\") at least where you can find the originating statement from \"Oldenberg Mom\" on the Allday patent.  And bear with the real technical explanations as you continue...there are many requests for layman\'s terms and they are eventually accomodated.

Since this is a legal product, and may not even be restricted on race days (though that would vary with jurisdictions) I am certainly not implying any wrongdoing in the use of it.  But Dr. Allday may just be good enough to have the knowledge and skill to develop legal substances that impact on race performance.  In any event, anything that eases joints and promotes cat \"scurrying\" or \"scampering\" certainly causes one to ponder the result in a race horse!    

http://chronicleforums.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/5206053911/m/585201265/p/2

Lord Helpus
Premium Member (4/04)
Not as cute as Merry... Sigh...
  posted Feb. 20, 2005 10:15 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:

\"Apparently it is patented, and was developed by a Dr. Steven Allday. Racing people, do you know this name?


I doubt that there are 2 Steve Allday\'s in the racing world. So this must be the same Steve Allday who used to be a race track vet in California. That is until he was \'disinvited\' (for lack of the correct word) from racetracks in that state.

He then moved his practice to Kentucky and became the vet for a small trainer (among others) who had spent decades plying his trade in the middle ranks of the business. The following year, said trainer trains the Eclipse Champion 2 year old colt AND the 2 year old filly, both of humble breeding.

Toward the end of that year, Allday is hired by Frank Stronach as his racing manager and Allday in turn hires said trainer as the private trainer for Stronach\'s enormous racing empire.

In the meantime, the champion colt and filly move on to other trainers (Hall of Fame trainers) who are unable to replicate their 2 year old success...

I had heard several years ago that Allday was no longer with Stronach. This must be what he has been doing since he left there.\"

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Lord Helpus, Feb. 20, 2005 10:25 PM

[BitPlayer]

If the facts in Delmar Deb\'s message are accurate, they indicate how complicated medication issues might get.  Hyaluronic acid is a substance that cells produce naturally and that acts as a lubricant in joints.

If someone finds a technique to increase the amount of the lubricant in joints on race day, it\'s easy to argue that (a) performance will be enhanced, and (b) wear and tear on the horse will be reduced.  Based on those facts, do you want to prohibit use of the technique?

Now imagine that the technique is indeed patented, so that only the patent-holder can use it.  His trainer clients will clearly have an advantage over others.  Is that fair?

[razzle]

DDeb, thanks again for your research and post.  Your post is on the Google site now,too.  
At least, now, we have some idea of how Byrne did his ti-training, which wasn\'t duplicable even by Mott. If, as bitplayer, and others earlier, have suggested, the patented juice is a legal performance enhancer,it also explains some of the difficulty officials have had in snooping out the offenders.  Though I\'m sure I don\'t understand all of the administration issues, it sounds more like a substance that would metabolize in less than 24 hrs.  raz

[miff]

Trainers have been tapping joints on horses forever to enhance lubrication in knees  and joints.(sonovial fluids, I think)There is nothing illegal about it.


Regarding the idea that ALLDAY is a capable \"chemist\" would have to be of major concern to Racing Officials, No?

[razzle]

miff,

Tapping joints on older, crippled-line claimers is one of the reasons we know to avoid those races, especially as \"pattern\" readers on these sheet products. I\'m restating the obvious here, because I read your post about the extensive experience you have since age ~17-57 with good data, so I know that you know that(and that we don\'t generally consider tapping knees on 2yos).

What Allday-Sucker does to us as players is quite different, but, as bitplayer suggests, may be perfectly legal, for now.

 My guess is that most vets are skilled chemists, as least in chemical theory.  

I was wondering if Allday-Sucker was with Stronach when Stronach was using Orseno?  That was another \"historical puzzle\" when it abruptly ended.  raz