4th positive in socal

[Saddlecloth]

I dont have a name, the CHRB refused to release it trying to keep it under wraps, it is an extremely high profile trainer though that would be a image problem, my guess, and I stress guess is its Lukas.



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[Delmar Deb]

Did you hear this from the DMTC board?  If so, the person insisting that there is a 4th trainer seems to be basing his assumption  on Dr. Arthur\'s statement that there were 4 positives (above the TCO2 limit) out of 2500 samples.

However, Vlado had 2 positives, Bless Her Heart and Smuggler\'s Run.  Those 2 and the one each for Canani and Mullins would take care of Dr. Arthur\'s original \"4\".

And Dr. Arthur \"promised\" not to withhold any more names!

Also, I did not think that the CHRB had any control over the release of names as they are neither involved in the test procedures or results insofar as fines, sanctions and restrictions under the CHRB rules are not yet in place.

[Saddlecloth]

yea, thats where I got it, the guy has always been pretty well informed, but they admitted they did want to name a solid, but not very well known trainer, how do you think they would feel about a name like Mandella.

If the ceringe had two does that only count as one \"violation\", or is he working with two postives at this point?

[Delmar Deb]

I wondered the same thing myself, as it was not addressed in any of the news stories.

Based on how it is being treated, however, I assume they combined the 2 hits into one offense since the results were released on both positives at the same time.  

To be fair about the procedures, it seems that a trainer would have to be sanctionned on the first positive and hit with the detention barn, and any subsequent positives that showed up would trigger the next level of \"penalty\".

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Delmar Deb wrote:

> Based on how it is being treated, however, I assume they
> combined the 2 hits into one offense since the results were
> released on both positives at the same time.  

hmmmmmm

Cheating with one incentive to cheat with all? Well, I think the California legislature will remove discretion.

[TGJB]

I feel compelled to comment about Cerin. I have worked with Vlado when he trained for Graph Racing and another outfit I\'m involved with, and though he is a mega pain in the butt (think Dickinson without the accent), and although we had a falling out and are not speaking, I have to point out that he has been on the forefront of the California group trying to get detention barns. I suspect that his story about the feed may actually be true-- which is to say that he heard the guys who were beating him were using a feed additive (Stan Bergstein mentioned a powerful one from New Zealand in a column a couple of months ago), and tried it. It is possible that some of these additives contain an alkalizing agent or something else which is moving up the horses, which would explain Mullins\' otherwise inane comment about the horse only being slightly over the limit.

Point being, the threshold level may have to be dropped. If anyone knows why there should be ANY level of alkalizing agents in a test, I would like to know it. Just for starters.

[Delmar Deb]

Jerry:

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/page.asp?parm=vet.bicarbonate

This policy describes the sources of and takes into account all the other alkalinising agents in feed, supplements, etc. and still holds trainers to a 36 TCO2 limit...while advising them to watch what they\'re giving the animals at race time.

I also believe that Vlado is totally above board, and has welcomed scrunity in all facets of racing from the first time he started training in CA (we UCLA folks really do stick together!).

But seriously, folks, there was an instance a while back where he had some type of finding and even the other trainers were saying that someone planted it on him because of his outspoken support for detention barns and testing.  While I don\'t know if anyone stooped to such means, there was a backing off on the part of Santa Anita to implement any of the current activities last winter...probably due more to Mullins\' and Frankel\'s threats at the time to take all their horses somewhere else.
TGJB wrote:

> I feel compelled to comment about Cerin. I have worked with
> Vlado when he trained for Graph Racing and another outfit I\'m
> involved with, and though he is a mega pain in the butt (think
> Dickinson without the accent), and although we had a falling
> out and are not speaking, I have to point out that he has been
> on the forefront of the California group trying to get
> detention barns. I suspect that his story about the feed may
> actually be true-- which is to say that he heard the guys who
> were beating him were using a feed additive (Stan Bergstein
> mentioned a powerful one from New Zealand in a column a couple
> of months ago), and tried it. It is possible that some of these
> additives contain an alkalizing agent or something else which
> is moving up the horses, which would explain Mullins\' otherwise
> inane comment about the horse only being slightly over the
> limit.
>
> Point being, the threshold level may have to be dropped. If
> anyone knows why there should be ANY level of alkalizing agents
> in a test, I would like to know it. Just for starters.
>
>

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Delmar Deb wrote:

 there was a backing off on the
> part of Santa Anita to implement any of the current activities
> last winter...probably due more to Mullins\' and Frankel\'s
> threats at the time to take all their horses somewhere else.

Et tu, Bobby?

Milkshake testing in Kalifornia got you nervous? I wasn\'t aware of that.