Del Mar, Pick 5 and CAW's

Started by Fairmount1, August 01, 2025, 03:12:50 PM

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Fairmount1

A few facts from the Del Mar late Pick 5 on 7.31.25, the first date after Del Mar announced they limited CAW\'s to betting until 2 minutes before the post in the win pool.

$624,117 was bet in total into the pool.

$476,322.05 was the winning payoff.

The winning ticket had the 6th choice singled in the last leg at 11-1.

Drf\'s Steve Anderson has reported today that the ticket was purchased for $108,000 by a computer assisted wagering account.  

Anderson stated two other things of note:  No further details on the composition of the ticket were made available.  Anderson sought info about how many other tickets that account played into the sequence and \"did not receive\" that info.

ALL with ALL with ALL with ALL with single would cost $6,600.00 for fifty cents.  
ALL with ALL with ALL with ALL with ALL would cost $72,600.00 for fifty cents.

4th choice, 6-1 with 5th choice, 9-1 with 7th choice, 14-1 with 10th choice, 57-1 with 6th choice, 11-1.
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I\'ll let you start formulating your own questions or conclusions from these facts.  There are things that don\'t add up here whatsoever.  This could lead to things being learned that no tracks or CAW\'s want you to know.  (Hint: People better start demanding answers as this sounds an awful lot like . . . I\'ll stop there.)

Fairmount1

19 minutes ago: @Drfanderson writes that A Del Mar official reached out moments ago to clarify that the $476,322 winning ticket on Thursday\'s 50-cent late pick five was purchased by a CAW bettor who spent $108,000 on \"thousands of different tickets and combinations.\"

Interesting that a clarification came out so quickly when just earlier no other information was being provided.  Go back and review the exact responses initially for days when Volponi won the BC Classic.  You might see a pattern.

Fairmount1

As good of a time as any to cite an article from Paulick Report where Kevin Mullally stated once upon a time a few things of note:

https://paulickreport.com/nl-list/wagering-insecurity-thoroughbred-idea-foundation-to-examine-current-state-of-oversight
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\"Automated bingo card devices in church basements have more independent monitoring than the tote systems.\"

and

\"Tote systems that have been used in America lack the clear lines of accountability and defined processes to independently validate the technology.  Moreover, they lack proper safeguards to independently investigate a malfunction, or investigate attempts to compromise the system.\"

and from the same article,

Track operators seem indifferent. As one 25-year U.S. state racing regulator told TIF for this series:

“Most tracks, confronted with a wagering integrity issue, would either bury the information or bury their heads in the sand and it would never see the light of day. That’s not every track across America, but the majority would not want to make public any information that would question the integrity of wagering on their product.”

In 2005, when speaking of the racing industry’s post “Fix Six” efforts to upgrade wagering oversight which eventually failed, then Del Mar Thoroughbred Club President Craig Fravel acknowledged the track operators might fall short of the mark.

“We [track operators] are a little suspect because we are maybe overly confident at times. I think to allow customers to have sufficient levels of confidence in us, we have to not only demonstrate we are capable of reviewing things, but that there is a sufficiently independent and authoritative organization out there than can be the ultimate arbiter of those kind of decisions.”

Such a group still does not exist.

toppled

Fairmount1 Wrote:
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> “Most tracks, confronted with a wagering
> integrity issue, would either bury the information
> or bury their heads in the sand and it would never
> see the light of day. That’s not every track
> across America, but the majority would not want to
> make public any information that would question
> the integrity of wagering on their product.”


This reminds me of the days when Oscar Barrera would claim a horse and a few days later the horse would win like a stakes horse. Then Oscar got a suspension for what was a minor infraction & barely won a race after that.

I\'ve always believed that they figured out what Oscar was doing, gave him a slap on the wrist & told him never do it again & we won\'t ever tell what we know.

Boscar Obarra

toppled Wrote:
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> Fairmount1 Wrote:

> I\'ve always believed that they figured out what
> Oscar was doing, gave him a slap on the wrist &
> told him never do it again & we won\'t ever tell
> what we know.

No question thats what happened.  And the same thing repeated many times with different names over the years.