Handicapping first time starters

[Leamas57]

Once again, I did not post this.

The Real Leamas....

[nicely nicely]

canceling account,  open a new one with new password and preferably a new email

[Furious Pete]

Maybe you did, 8 years ago? This thread is from 2010.

[bluechip21]

What are you referring to? I don’t see your name mentioned anywhere ...

[sekrah_]

Yea you did, Leamas.. 8 years ago... :-D :-D :-D   Funny.

[Tavasco]

Dana666 Wrote:
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> Good point. Always look to first time starters in
> mediocre fields, esp. if the prices are decent.
> Absolutely.

Here I am Watching the Steve Prefontaine Classic and in particular man mountains tossing the shot put 70 feet. I\'m also marveling at the effort Richiebee put into his post today, so many superscripts.

When I stumble upon a maiden claiming race finishing off the Sat SA card. I have no data but two first time starters each with a career of w/o\'s and a favorite that looks as if it c/b iffy. Hope the horizontal players included the firsters. I\'ll dutch them, good luck to all.

EDIT - More useful for the vertical players this time. Kinda short exacta? solid tri if one could find that.

[dskidmore1]

I read long ago in either Quinn or Quiren that 1st step should be that sire gets 10% 1x starters and trainer gets same.  Qualifies for second look.  After this qualifier I look at workout pattern (not times).   Is spacing of works logical? Then I look at the dam side to find class with a cursory glance at sales price.

[TreadHead]

Overlooking one of the most important points, dam stats.  obviously not of much use when it\'s the 1st or 2nd foal, but when a mare is 3 of 4 winners with a stakes winner and offspring have several wins at 2yrs old, you better take notice regardless of trainer or sire.

good example of this happened on 5/25 in the 2nd race at BEL, Yes and Yes was out of a mare who had dropped 5 winners out of 5 starters, including a stakes winner and 3 turf winners.  Would have been tough to bet on sire or trainer stats (which is probably why he went off at 35-1).

[Topcat]

TreadHead Wrote:
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> Overlooking one of the most important points, dam
> stats.  obviously not of much use when it\'s the
> 1st or 2nd foal, but when a mare is 3 of 4 winners
> with a stakes winner and offspring have several
> wins at 2yrs old, you better take notice
> regardless of trainer or sire.
>
> good example of this happened on 5/25 in the 2nd
> race at BEL, Yes and Yes was out of a mare who had
> dropped 5 winners out of 5 starters, including a
> stakes winner and 3 turf winners.  Would have been
> tough to bet on sire or trainer stats (which is
> probably why he went off at 35-1).


In retrospect, Gleaves had at least one good reason to abandon steamy Miami for the time bieng . . .

[FrankD.]

Watch out for Phil.....
Don’t know what happened to him, been in Miami obscurity for years?
I knew him a little bit back when he was with Woody, early 80’s.

He bought a Spa house and is back here with a dozen or so 2yr olds, he owns or has a piece of most of them. I’ll be stopping by his barn to say hello soon🤫

A great Woody story 86 Travers, Phil was out on his own for not too long, he had Wise Times, Woody had Danzig Connection. Those 2 and Broad Brush are 3 across the track in a blanket photo. It comes back WT, Danzig and B.B.

I saw Woody a minute after it was official and said tough beat Mr Stephens. He smiled with that Cheshire Cat grin and said “ I’m glad for Phil plus I had the exacta REAL GOOD...”