Navarro YouTube Video

[moosepalm]

richiebee Wrote:
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> 5) Turo Escalante is still my favorite horse
> trainer.

Yet another Ortiz at the top of a racing hierarchy.

[TGJB]

In the remote chance there was any confusion, the bombast I referred to was courtesy of the industry, not Richie. Ever. He\'s the anti-bombast.

[richiebee]

JB:

Here is a brief reflection. It might qualify as bombastic.

Lots of issues here, and for some reason I am thinking about how mass murderer
Al Capone was finally stopped (tax evasion), and how mass murderer John Gotti
may never have been convicted if it weren\'t for the RICO statute. Navarro and
Gindi are not Capone and Gotti, they are just a couple of knuckleheads who
would have been thrown out of the clubhouse in any track in America when people
used to actually attend the races, and when there was a real distinction
between the way folks behaved (and dressed) in the clubhouse as opposed to the
grandstand.

The point is that when you get an opportunity like this (here \"behavior
detrimental\") it should be taken advantage of. Give Navarro a five stall
allocation and let him run his horses off a training center in Colts Neck,
where, without prying eyes, he can work on all the chemistry experiments he
wants to.

To me freezing and retesting samples ten years down the road is futile UNLESS
you are going to hold a percentage of the purse in an interest bearing escrow
account. This unfortunately would affect the legitimate trainers as well as the
performance enhancers. I will leave it to Rezlegal or one of the other
barristers among the T-generates to ponder how a cheater who gets caught ten or
fifteen years after the fact could be dealt with without denying said cheater
due process of law.

I\'m thinking \"Bundles\" now because I just changed cable/phone providers. The
\"Bundle\" I am fixated on now involves three issues I see every day walking the
streets of Manhattan. (a) Panhandlers and homeless people (Hoover: \"A chicken
in every pot\"; deBlasio \"A panhandler on every block\"), (b) unemployment and
(c)unused, blighted vacant buildings. How to deal with this bundle: Put people
to work renovating vacant buildings and get the people off the streets and
living in these renovated buildings. Simple? No because it cuts across too many
government agencies, involves unions and who is going to pay? How much is it
worth to an individual taxpayer not to see a street person defecating on the
sidewalk in broad daylight?

Did I wander too far off the reservation in order to take a gratuitous shot at
a Mayor I am not fond of? No, I am \"circling back\" to the issue of who would
bear the cost of state of the art testing and enforcement. Take a percentage of
purse money? Increase takeout? Both?

What we call \"Racing\" is actually a \"bundle\" of industries: The breeders
produce the bloodstock; the bloodstock is either raised by the breeders or sold
at auction; the nearly finished product is sent to the racetrack for final
preparation; a groom leads the horse to the racetrack, a trainer gives a jockey
a leg up and game on! Millions of people, either at the track or a few miles or
a thousand miles away, are able to participate by wagering. Of course these
horses eat and require feed; stables require equipment; horseplayers want state
of the art data. I guess my point is there is a lot of money changing hands on
and off the track and there must be some revenue that can be tapped for state
of the art testing and/or surveillance.

Pinhookers (hypothetical) buy a yearling at a September auction for $250,000
and turn around and sell said yearling at an April 2YO in training auction for
$750,000. Sadly, many times the $750K 2YO, who went an 1/8th mile in \"nine and
change\" at the sale turns out to be limited at distances past a half mile and
never pans out. But the pinhooker got a half million dollars basically for
nurturing a growing animal (I will be a good lad and not discuss what surgeries
and performance enhancement these young prospects are subjected to in order to
produce that glorious nine second dash). If Racing had uniform governance, some
percentage of that half million could be \"diverted\" to a fund. Call it \"The
Future of Racing Fund\".

Expand the idea and look to bloodstock auctions. How much will champion Tepin,
reported in foal to Curlin, sell for in the auction ring? Between $3 and $4
million? Could we impose a tax on auction proceeds for the \"Future of Racing
Fund?\"

Enough already. I could go on for a while, and JB I think we both agree that
giving Lasix only to runners that really need it would be a huge step forward.
Long story short, Navarro is not good for racing, getting mad results against
the Mom and Pop trainers at Monmouth. He gave Racing an opportunity to say \"No
mas\", even if for the wrong reasons. Only a Dennis Drazin, worried that his
entry box will suffer next year, could be shallow enough to support him under
these circumstances.

Bottom line: I want Jorge N out and Frank D back in.

[TGJB]

I\'ll just deal with one point. You don\'t have to hold anything in escrow. Cheaters are ahead of the testers, but they would be nuts to assume they\'re ahead of where the testers will be in 5 years. If you get a retroactive positive, you retest all that guy\'s samples-- and he gets hit for each positive. Multi positives are enough to ban someone for a very long time, maybe life. That should have a pretty good deterrent effect-- especially after you step on the first guy. As I told the Jockey Club nine years ago, you\'re going to have to hang someone.

And that\'s part two. The JC has a lot of money, and has proven they are willing to kick in to help. But they have no power to force tracks to act, which is why they are getting behind the Federal legislation. which they believe will get through next year. I have my doubts, and my doubts about whether it should, given the Lasix issue. I\'m going to end up having to fight them on that one, which I\'m not happy about.

[rezlegal]

Richie- the sole legal issue in the entire universe I am not capable of responding to in any meaningful way is how, why etc. this goes on. Let me add to this tale. Several weeks ago I had a telephone conversation with a huuuge name in the industry known to virtually everyone on this Board. In the course of the conversation I complimented this person for having taken an aggressive stance in the public eye on drugs in racing. I had never spoken to this well known person before. Notwithstanding, he shares with me that EPO continues to be a scourge. And he mentions one of the Saratoga supertrainers. He further advises that he had a conversation with one of the top directors of racing at NYRA that went something like this: \" I bet the fact that this trainer keeps winning ( including many Stakes)is driving you crazy \" NYRA big shot responds: \" It is driving me crazy and would love to catch him\" . I found this sort of stunning and chose to share it with one of the posters ( Poster in Chief actually) on this Board. His reply- after chuckling- was that the NYRA guy who would love to catch this supertrainer is best friends with (insert drum roll here)...David Jacobson. The Latin expression \" res ipsa loquitor\" - loosely translated \" the thing speaks for itself\" seems to apply.TGJB is right- shame on the racetracks!

[Boscar Obarra]

I was expecting some action re: this video, only because it was so in your face.

 The powers that be are much less tolerant of that kind of buffoonery , than a guy winning 40% of his starts, which they can explain away with BS .

[jbelfior]

Watch how tolerant MP becomes of guys like Navarro if they get sports betting in NJ.

Right now the Navarros of the MP world are filling cards so the suits there look the other way. Perhaps no different than Aqueduct in the winter. Don\'t look for them to come down on him and others until they are no longer needed.


Good Luck,
Joe B.

[breakage1]

If I was on video boasting of juicing horses, illegal betting etc.... I would be worried about more than stall denial/fines etc......penalties being levied by the sport.

This is felonious conduct in every jurisdiction in the nation.

[philywheel]

Had Navarro on NYRA Live ,Gabby Gaudet interviewing , ask him about the video and all he could say ,I will apologize for the rest of my life for the way I behaved
said he shouldnt have behaved that way, he does have the the heavy fav in the Kelso

surprised NYRA let him in

Philywheel

[rezlegal]

This board has been the subject of many posts over many years regarding drug use in this sport and those who repeatedly get away with it. Many of the posters on this subject have acknowledged the reduction or elimination of their betting handle. As Philly Wheels post suggests, today’s Navarro “ interview” was a shameful example of whitewashing by NYRA of this subject. Ms.Gaudet will never be confused with Mike Wallace or Katy Couric as a result of this interview which, of course, avoided, with tremendous effort, ever asking Navarro whether he has ever illegally used drugs or whether he was being truthful when recently caught on tape. Instead, we heard him “apologize”â€" after reminding us he was a leading trainer-without ever telling us what he was apologizing for. I would be curious as to the genesis of this interview- did it come from NYRA to be used as a vehicle to justify letting his horse  run in the  Kelso or did the request come from Navarro to let him continue to play the bettors for fools by “apologizing”.To cap off NYRA’s version of 60 Minutes, Andy Serling took pains to remind everyone that NYRA has enhanced security as an additional justification for NYRA letting Navarro run. Shameful, simply shameful. The beat goes on.