Pegasus timing screwy.

[Boscar Obarra]

I\'d suspect the host of this board probably knew it , but now there\'s a big discussion about the bad clocking of the Pegasus. Too slow.

   I hadn\'t looked too closely, but the posted last 1/8 is stupid. 13.7 ?   Yeah, right.  

   Did none of the braintrusts on TV catch this?

[ajkreider]

It\'s slow relative two his last two races, but it\'s not obvious that it\'s too slow here.  He was geared down off of a VERY quick 1:33.9 mile - that was only .77 slower than Normandy Invasion\'s track record for a mile, and the GP mile\'s are only one turn.

It didn\'t seem to be the typical supped up track for big days at GP.

[TGJB]

Winner ran a neg 5.

[SoCalMan2]

TGJB Wrote:
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> Winner ran a neg 5.

Is that \"-5\" or \"-5h?\" ?

[TempletonPeck]

It seems most (many, at least) in the industry are agreed that the correct time was ~1 second faster than the apparent official time. Does the -5 reflect that, or do you feel the official time was correct?

[TGJB]

The only other two turn dirt race was 3 hours earlier. As it happens I did them about the same (using track time), but in a situation like that you\'re doing it off the horses, especially when you have a big field of consistent stake horses, with lots of figures to work off. This one was pretty straight forward.

For what it\'s worth, our trackman hand timed both races about 2/5 faster than track time.

[RICH]

chrome had a lot of races the last 4-5 months, it looks like that los Alamitos race buried him, too many races, big numbers, and all off the Dubai trip. In retrospect, they should have not run in that LA race

[BitPlayer]

Hindsight being 20/20, I wonder whether bringing Chrome in early for two works over the track might have been a mistake.  I have read and heard things in the past suggesting that the GP surface might be hard on horses.  A lot of the top trainers in Florida train elsewhere.  Only three of the 15 Pegasus entrants (including AEs) had their final prerace workout over the GP surface.  Plus it has always seemed to me (based on anecdotal evidence) that horses are more likely to get injured shortly after shifting to a new surface.

[ajkreider]

Timeform and Beyer agree with you.

Changing figs

[SoCalMan2]

BitPlayer Wrote:
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> Hindsight being 20/20, I wonder whether bringing
> Chrome in early for two works over the track might
> have been a mistake.  I have read and heard things
> in the past suggesting that the GP surface might
> be hard on horses.  A lot of the top trainers in
> Florida train elsewhere.  Only three of the 15
> Pegasus entrants (including AEs) had their final
> prerace workout over the GP surface.  Plus it has
> always seemed to me (based on anecdotal evidence)
> that horses are more likely to get injured shortly
> after shifting to a new surface.

I also wouldn\'t underestimate the effects of post 12 so close to the first turn.  Unless my horse was very comfortable just dropping back, I would scratch any horse that likes to run a bit early if they get assigned the 12 hole that close to the turn.  The first 200-300 yards of that configuration have to be unusually strenuous in a novel way. If they do this race again, they need to either make it 10 furlongs or get a different finish line (or reduce the field size).

[hooper]

New track record announced today.  http://www.drf.com/news/official-time-pegasus-lowered-sets-gulfstream-record

[Boscar Obarra]

Quite an improvement over the near 40 years it took to fix Secretariats Preakness.   Progress!

[Topcat]

SoCalMan2 Wrote:
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> BitPlayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hindsight being 20/20, I wonder whether
> bringing
> > Chrome in early for two works over the track
> might
> > have been a mistake.  I have read and heard
> things
> > in the past suggesting that the GP surface
> might
> > be hard on horses.  A lot of the top trainers
> in
> > Florida train elsewhere.  Only three of the 15
> > Pegasus entrants (including AEs) had their
> final
> > prerace workout over the GP surface.  Plus it
> has
> > always seemed to me (based on anecdotal
> evidence)
> > that horses are more likely to get injured
> shortly
> > after shifting to a new surface.
>
> I also wouldn\'t underestimate the effects of post
> 12 so close to the first turn.  Unless my horse
> was very comfortable just dropping back, I would
> scratch any horse that likes to run a bit early if
> they get assigned the 12 hole that close to the
> turn.  The first 200-300 yards of that
> configuration have to be unusually strenuous in a
> novel way. If they do this race again, they need
> to either make it 10 furlongs or get a different
> finish line (or reduce the field size).


Or, of course, run it at Anita.