If you can't bring yourself to make a win bet...

Started by sekrah, May 18, 2016, 06:35:32 PM

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sekrah

...on Stradivari in the Preakness, you should just hang it up.

Bernardini, Round 2.

big18741

Need the 30-1 underneath exotics slug.

Who is this years Hemingway\'s Key?

sekrah

A ground saving closer to lug up and grab a piece?  Cherry Wine has a pretty potent pattern and should get the pace up front to run at.

Ace

and Cherry Wine, as someone has pointed out previously on this board, should move up a lot in the anticipated off going.

Gerard

And you know Lanerie won\'t be afraid to skim the rail

Chas04

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

sekrah

Chuckie, this probably isn\'t the message board for you.

Chas04

If we couldn\'t laugh, we would all going to go insane.

--Jimmy Buffett

pizzalove

I really like the insight thorograph had on Stradivari.  Really has me thinking.

mjellish

Well, I think I may have to hang it up then.  

While there are some similarities between Strad and Bernadini, this race sets up completely different than the 2006 Preakness.  I think the draw really hurt Strad here.  There is a lot of speed in this race.  The 9 horse hasn\'t come close to being headed at any call in his last 5 races, two of which were sprints.  Also, the track is most likely going to be sloppy, meaning the front runners will probably send, including Nyquist.  That probably means wide trip for Strad, and going wide on the first turn at Pimlico is not a recipe for success.  For him to win he\'s almost certainly going to have to overcome a wide trip and run a very big number in his first graded stakes try.  He also hasn\'t beaten anything in the two fields that he ran so well against, so he may be a bit overrated IMO.  Plus even if he runs his race he\'s still got to beat Nyquist and Exaggerator.  So would you be playing them to bounce, or do you think Strad will just beat them?

Could Strad win?  Of course.  But he\'s probably the 3rd betting choice here and for me the odds won\'t justify the risk.

Not saying I like Nyquist in this spot.  He may have to eat some dirt for the first time here, which is something he has never done.  The way I see it he\'s going to have to send from the inside with a lot of speed trying to cross over from the outside.  If they don\'t send he could get stuck behind a couple of horses right in the kickback with someone to his immediate outside pinning him in.  That\'s a trip he\'s never had before.  In any case, it\'s tough to see him getting an outside stalking trip, and there is a lot of speed in here to try to wire the field.  Plus NYQ is coming off a new lifetime top on two weeks rest.  

No matter what, the way I see it NYQ has got his work cut out for him and he\'s an underlay.  And I can\'t back Strad given the draw and what he\'s going to have to overcome.  It would seem on paper that the race sets up much better for Exaggerator, but I dunno how much you can trust him either.  I could probably trust him at 4-1 or 9/2 or so if I could get it.  

Once you get past those three, NYQ, EXG, STR, if you try to make an argument for one of the other ones winning it\'s pretty tough to sort them out as they all would probably need a big forward move to win here.

I hate to say it, but for me the Preakness is probably a pass race unless I decide to bet EXG or use him as a single in the horizontals.  Too many unknowns.

Maybe I\'m still shell shocked from the KY Derby.

sekrah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqas3ShmWu8

Destin\'s Ky Derby workout.  That is Stradivari on the inside getting his throat strangled.

Strike

sekrah Wrote:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqas3ShmWu8
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> Destin\'s Ky Derby workout.  That is Stradivari on
> the inside getting his throat strangled.

If I was the owner of Stradivari (Gunther/Coolmore) I would not be happy with the workout plan -- to apparently let Destin \"win\" the workout when Stradivari was the superior work horse. On the inside and as you say, strangled the entire way. Tough on a horse who is so inexperienced but what do I know -- maybe the plan was to toughen him up while providing false confidence to Destin.

Destin ran a good 6th in the Derby. Stradivari might be tough in the Preakness. Thanks for posting the video.

Flighted Iron

Was thinking along the same line regarding the possible race shape.Castellano to his outside the key. Meaning if the speed indide of Nyquil goes Castellano can raceride Nyquil keeping him inside and taking dirt.

Good handicapping,
 Flighted