Evidently you don\'t know or bother to know your own customer. I have a very active online account with you as well as well as using books \"comped\' at the Palace. In any event, I see this conversation is pointless, so I will end it.
Good luck in the Breeder\'s Cup.

Racemaven

Well Jerry, nobody has to \"tell me\" about poor old Normie-O ( the O is for his last name, btw) because I know him all too well! I am surprised he can scratch together gas money to drive to the Palace and buy a Thoro. Obviously, I am one of the players he owes money to.

But since you bring it up with your \"they\'s\" references, why would you not  consider the validity of pricing when it comes to the use of either product, given as a backdrop your recent \"capping\" of daily purchases as a marketing strategy. Sometimes I think you go overboard with your references on the board just to try and prove a point. They are both good products. I use both. I play in the Crown room with players who swear by either/or. The important point is sheet/thoro players move the pools and they both put us way ahead of the other players in the paramutual pools. Incidently, it would be great if you could print less boxes in the Thoro\'s. They provide no useful information to us in the races they appear.

Racemaven

Vito is a regular on the Sheets board. He is a longtime Rags user, as am I. Unlike Vito, I use the Thoro\'s as well. We both play at Race Palace. I read your board regularly and I use 25+ sets of Rags a week.I am probably good for 12 books here as well.I make serious money in this game and these two products are the best edge that exists, bar none. I would be hard-pressed to believe that Len or Jake cares who posts here. You should encourage Vito to post here as well, he always has a gem or two to share.
   As for Normie O, he converted to Thoro\'s when he couldn\'t afford the Rags anymore. Norman owes a lot of money to a lot of Sheet and Thoro players and I suspect Len knows of it. He is a hopeless spreader anyway and could give little insight to you folks.
   Good luck to all this weekend.

  Racemaven

I can\'t provide a measure emperically. I can say with certainty, that with the exception of some pace aided results on the turf, the two-turn outcomes at GP have been demonstrated in the sheet patterns and raw sheet number advantages in my betting for the meet.

The alternate finish line has made a big difference in the predictability of the two-turn races.