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to tgjb

I said I was outta here, but you called me out (in a respectful way) so I shall respond

1. My initial post was obviously not well worded....I did not mean to infer that Ragozin was the \"good guy\" and that you are the \"bad guy\"....I realize that there are Rags posters who come over here for no other reason than to stir the pot and vice versa..and his comment a few weeks back questioning your work ethic was outta line..so I am well aware that this goes both ways

2. to answer your question regaring \"how would I respond to a Rags guy lying about my business and then admitting to it.....I would have been pissed off,,,,,

3. to answer your question regarding their ignoring of your letter,,, which implies they are guilty....I\'d say no,,,,definitely possible but not a certainty by any means....

I will attempt to re-word my point....There are those customers who are die hard Rags supporters and there are those who are die hard Thoro users, both positions are extremely clear....I am neither...I use the Rags because I\'ve had success in the past....I\'ve spent many hours at the track with friends who are Thoro users....We usually find that your products show similar lines....When there is a difference, I\'d guess it\'s about 50-50 as to which numbers appear to be correct, so I\'d call it a wash as to whose numbers are more accurate....tho I do envy their ability to download and the additional stats are certainly handy at times..

Very few of us know either yourself or Ragozin...and I\'m sure that if we sat down with him he would be just as critical of you...Not knowing either of you, most of us decide to ignore this on-going debate about morality and variants...His decision to not respond to your issues means one of three things.
1. you\'re right
2. He chooses not to get caught in the debate,,,if innocent he sees no reason to defend himself
3. some of both

I don\'t know and can\'t make that determination without knowing either of you (tho someone did call me a jackass earler without knowing me,,,,and he might be right)..

It appears you have a solid business plan, and clearly your business model is superior to his...His decision to not allow for electronic downloads bothers me in a big way....You have a huge competive advantage in this area, and if I were you, that\'s what I would be focusing on....

but you on the other hand have admittedly decided to focus your marketing on negativity...a stance I have never supported (rather political or business) and because of this I have still not made the switch...tho your statement from the other day that I never will is totally inaccurate..

You\'ve stated that your negative campaign has been successful, so who am I to argue with success....If your current strategy draws in more new clients than it keeps away,,,I wouldn\'t expect you to change


This is my first time posting on either board, and in general I\'ve been treated respectfully...I said I\'d never get involved in one of these long drawn out strings, but I guess I was wrong....

Best of luck

enough is enough and I\'m outta here....

tho to you Richie....takes a VERY BRAVE man to call someone a jack ass with a keyboard...

thanx for the response Michael....and I don\'t disagree with anything you said
but you kinda made my point.....most consumers (including me) do not understand nor care about the Rag vs Thoro on-going fight....

As a consumer, I don\'t want to hear Coke run a negative ad campaign against Pepsi...I want to be educated on the positive aspects of Coke...

Thoro has a much more solid product than Rag (more info/electronic downloads)....He could beat Rags just by focusing on his positives as opposed to continuously running his negative campaign against Ragozin...

It\'s his business and he has chosen his marketing model....my point is he \"might\" be better off focusing on his positives and if he\'s right about Ragozin (and I won\'t get into that fight) he will hang himself...

That said I will continue to use Ragozin as Thoro has made it VERY clear that he is not interested in my business.....

point taken.....I\'m glad your business has increased as I certainly have no ill will for you or your business,,,,nor do I feel any favoritism towards the Rags...

Guess I\'ll live without on-line sheets for a few more weeks (months??? years???).....as your reply indicates that you\'re not interested in anyone\'s business who could care less about your feud with Ragozin.....

Happy handicapping

I\'ve been using the Rags for several years now with solid success....I\'ve seen your numbers before and find them to be at least as useful as the Rags numbers....

I\'ve wanted to switch to your product for a few months now because of the customer service (electronic downloads)....

The reason I have not is because of posts like these....I know you think that by airing these differences in this forum you will get customers from Ragozin....Just thought you might want to know that it is keeping at least one customer (and probably more) from making the switch...

You need to realize that most players do not know or care about the history between the two of you...We just want a solid product (which you both deliver) with solid customer service (which you do better than Ragozin)....I just choose to not do business with someone who seems so bitter and angry..

Just thought you might want to know