Look, I respect thorographs and the sheets (though the order may be changing as we type), or I wouldn\'t get them.  I also realize there is art and science involved, so there will always be room for error (to answer your question, I used to keep my own Beyers, before they were offered in the Form).  I am just looking for a little humility and wondering if you guys ever admit errors.  Clearly, yesterday was ridiculous, and you are not willing to admit it was a poor judgement.  That\'s fine, I know a ton of prideful folks who don\'t acknowledge their errors.  I will say, if you guys actually downgrade horses for pressing fast paces in turf races (your clear implication yesterday), then you absolutely need to go in your little figure making room and come up with a new formula.

Thanks for the humorous denial.  Of course, the Baltas filly will get the better number today...even if she didn\'t earn it.  By the way, I\'m not saying she didn\'t deserve a higher figure LAST time...I\'m just saying there\'s no sane way to argue that it should have been 3 1/2 points better.  If it was a half-point or a point higher, this thread never would have been started.  Let\'s just hope this time, the self-fulfilling prophet of a figmaker doesn\'t make it 3 1/2 points higher.

First, I wasn\'t hedging.  I wrote about it before the race, and I said it was ridiculous either way, which it was.  Concerning the pace, it too, was significantly faster in the aforementioned faster split.  The other thing is from a purely handicapping perspective the faster split was a better and deeper race than the pedestrian one (if memory serves).  I have no interest in continuing a dialogue with you, but I\'d like to hear an explanation from the folks who charge $25 a card.  Do they stand by the apparent discrepancy?  How often do they guesstimate like that?

your wrong Pete.  You should lol more, maybe you wouldn\'t be so furious.  They had the same weights, went similarly wide. Btw, Music finished second at 10-1 and Keys finished 4th at 7-2.  Cheers.

Today\'s 3rd at Anita has horses coming out of a split from Jan 21.  Temple Keys ran in a race a full second slower (and lost by 3/4) and went a smidge wide and received a 6.  Malibu Music ran in the faster race and lost by 4 1/4, breaking from the 7 hole.  He received a 9.2.  If they weren\'t in the same race today, it wouldn\'t be so easy to discern.  Do you guys always extrapolate so much?  Seems ridiculous to me.  Now, even if Temple Keys finally wins today, which he may, that does not excuse this discrepancy.

Do those of you who subscribe to the bounce theory, normally expect a horse like this to further regress or bounce back to his big 3 yo debut (4ish)...or would you expect him to pair up his 7?

Very intrigued by this race and the extreme probability that Forest Boy is going to regress.  I\'m still wondering whether to buy into this whole \'bounce\' thing.  While its a virtual certainty he won\'t repeat his 3 or exceed it (though the pattern indicates a 40% chance of a new top).  I\'d love to hear what you guys think he\'s likely to do Friday.  And Harty\'s horse ran an amazing 6 against a pretty severe bias in his debut - he should bounce as well, no?  Starzilla is exiting one of the key races of the year (it would appear).  With just a fondness for the trip and a little maturity, he could easily go to a 7 or so, I\'d imagine that would win a lot of 2 turn msw\'s....

I\'ve read the typical improvement in Beyer numbers from age 2 to 3 is 1.5 points per month and from 3 to 4 is 1 point.  Realizing this is a very rough estimate, what is the \"typical\" improvement in sheet numbers from age 2 to 3 and 3 to 4?
Thanks!

how many pounds = 1 point?...thanks!