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Title: Aquduct pick 5
Post by: FrankD. on December 18, 2015, 06:09:39 AM
For the first time since the advent of the popular 50 cent minimum low take out wager it was not hit. NYRA does not pay 4 out of 5 like many competitors do.
So there is 162K in free money put into todays sequence it will be interesting to see how much money is pumped into the pool? The 50 cent minimum allows the everyday small player a punchers chance for a modest investment.

Yesterdays carryover mainly resulted from the 2nd race in which Karens Silk upset the apple cart @ $63 in a 5 horse field with a TAP 1/5 shot. If you take a look in the red board room at yesterdays Aqueduct analysis you will see this horse was picked right on top as well as the $334 exacta and $676 triple. 2 legs of the sequence were won by 3/2 & 2/1 shots as well so its really a surprise that it was not covered.

So with the first 5 on the turf at Gulf today and T-storms likely for the area around post time I decided to make my inner track wagering debut and downloaded the sheets for today.

There are 38 good reasons in the pick 5 sequence why I do not or have not in 3 years wagered on the inner tube.

Good luck at a meet where Jackie Davis is a 33% jock!

Frank D.
Title: Re: Aquduct pick 5
Post by: moosepalm on December 18, 2015, 07:32:07 AM
FrankD. Wrote:
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> For the first time since the advent of the popular
> 50 cent minimum low take out wager it was not hit.
> NYRA does not pay 4 out of 5 like many competitors
> do.
> So there is 162K in free money put into todays
> sequence it will be interesting to see how much
> money is pumped into the pool? The 50 cent minimum
> allows the everyday small player a punchers chance
> for a modest investment.
>
> Yesterdays carryover mainly resulted from the 2nd
> race in which Karens Silk upset the apple cart @
> $63 in a 5 horse field with a TAP 1/5 shot. If you
> take a look in the red board room at yesterdays
> Aqueduct analysis you will see this horse was
> picked right on top as well as the $334 exacta and
> $676 triple. 2 legs of the sequence were won by
> 3/2 & 2/1 shots as well so its really a surprise
> that it was not covered.
>
> So with the first 5 on the turf at Gulf today and
> T-storms likely for the area around post time I
> decided to make my inner track wagering debut and
> downloaded the sheets for today.
>
> There are 38 good reasons in the pick 5 sequence
> why I do not or have not in 3 years wagered on the
> inner tube.
>
> Good luck at a meet where Jackie Davis is a 33%
> jock!
>
> Frank D.


Frank, my winter track of choice is also Gulfstream, but on occasion I have dabbled in the oval within, and the rare success that I have experienced is usually a result of taking everything I know about handicapping and turning it inside out.  Never rule out any trainer just because he or she has a 3% hit rate.
Title: Re: Aquduct pick 5
Post by: Mathcapper on December 18, 2015, 08:05:51 AM
Yeah, it was a little surprising it wasn\'t hit. The takeout-adjusted parlay was $58.6K, so 2 or 3 winning tickets were expected.

Had there been only one winning ticket, that lucky winner would\'ve gotten paid 3.5x the parlay. Interestingly, both the Pk3 and the Pk4 came in pretty much in line with the takeout-adjusted parlays.

For those looking at the Pk5 value proposition today, a pool size any less than $1.25M (including the $162K carryover) means there\'s actually a positive expectation on the bet. Anything more than $1.25M, the effective take will be somewhere between 0 and 15%.

Rocky R.
Title: Re: Aquduct pick 5
Post by: miff on December 18, 2015, 08:18:39 AM
\"ONLY\" cost $7,560 to hit it for .50 cents on a wheel.Sequence awful,only 35 horses. Big favorite in first race scratched,may help
Title: Re: Aquduct pick 5
Post by: metroj on December 18, 2015, 11:05:22 AM
FrankD. Wrote:
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> Good luck at a meet where Jackie Davis is a 33%
> jock!
>
> Frank D.

....and Dylan Davis can\'t keep a horse straight.  Sigh.
Title: Re: Aquduct pick 5
Post by: Mathcapper on December 18, 2015, 12:36:37 PM
The pool ended coming in right around the breakeven point at $1.23M.

Payout of $988 was no great shakes, it was actually right in line with what you\'d expect based on a takeout-adjusted parlay on a non-carryover day.

But considering the free money added to the pool today, it should\'ve paid around $1,150.
Title: Re: Aquduct pick 5
Post by: FrankD. on December 18, 2015, 01:32:21 PM
I\'m sure many tickets simply pounded the first 2 favorites that resulted in a $9.90 double and spread out from there.

I made a $192.00 ticket 1,3/2,3,5,6/1,2.4,6/1,3,6,10/1,3,6

This was a Finger Lakes sequence, horrible excuse for a product to put out, good luck all winter on the tube, its the last day they get a penny from me.

This is how chaotic this sequence was;
I was with Roddy Valente yesterday afternoon in the Tele Theater he was claiming a 3 legged NY Bred from Doug O\'Neil at Los Alamitos to bring back east. He and I go back more than 30 years so there is no sugarcoating, he tells me when his horses or something Bruce Levine has is doing well and I give him T-graph opinions as well as my own on his horses or sequences involving them. He is a Rags customer since I\'ve known him.

I asked him about his Stone Supplier in the final leg of the pick 5 today as well as Quibbler in the first leg trained by his long time trainer. He simply shook his head and said Stone Supplier always tries but she isn\'t anything good and if Quibbler couldn\'t beat this field \"forget about it\".

It gets worse Chip Landry who bred and owns Irish Heroine in the final leg asked me if I wanted to go down to Aqueduct with him and another friend for the race. He was optimistic about her coming off the shelf but was not crazy about how she was training. She is out of a mare with some ability and thought he had a decent fillie 16 months ago! I texted him before the race wishing him good luck and letting him know I needed her for the pick 5. He texted back after the race she tried hard but the first 5 all went coast to coast. I replied that\'s not really a track bias as none of the 35 RATS that ran in this sequence had ever passed a horse.
He agreed!

The bottom line is it was a horrible value bet from the get go. Unless you really had a strong opinion on a couple of races and were playing multiple tickets on them hoping to get 4 or 5/1 on a 5 race bet is a waste of time!!!

Good luck to all inner tube bettors,

Frank D.