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Title: Saratoga Lost
Post by: richiebee on December 16, 2015, 07:08:13 AM
Saratoga\'s 2016 race meet opens on July 15, approximately seven months hence,
but I must admit that some of the usual anticipation is absent for me. This has
nothing to do with the much discussed monetization/modernization of the
venerable facility, or the fact that Saratoga racing is more and more an
extension of the downstate product, where the quality races are dominated by
short priced runners from two or three barns (call it \"TAPstock\" or
\"Chadapalooza\").

My tempered enthusiasm has more to do with the fact that I find that a trip to
the Spa no longer serves as an \"escape\" or a needed change of pace from a
hectic and harried urban existence, living in a cultural backwater and
commuting to work in the middle of the world\'s largest tourist trap.

I find myself online investigating transportation and lodging alternatives in
Fort Erie, Ontario and Franklin, Kentucky, planning my equine themed summer
escape.

Again this has nothing to do with Chris Kay and his overcompensated cadre of
minions wanting to transform the Saratoga facility into a theme park, but
rather that the City of Saratoga Springs and Saratoga County have been the
fastest growing city and county in the state (based on population growth
between the 1970 Census and the 2010 Census). Further growth is anticipated. A
new Embassy Suites popped up near Congress Park. Reliable (though eccentric)
local sources, the old guys I call Bartles and James, proprietors of a produce
stand/nursery on the south side of Rte 9, have told me that two more lodging
facilities are planned along Rte 9, I would imagine on the property once
occupied by a succession of failed restaurants and on the property where now
sits an abandoned driving range/miniature golf course (a weed choked miniature
golf course presents some fascinating photographic opportunities).

The challenge for 21st Century Saratoga is to make itself into a viable
destination eight or nine months out of the year rather than four or five, and
without sounding like a Chamber of Commerce sound bite, there are numerous
attractions in the area not related to thoroughbred racing which will make this
possible. More restaurants, more nightspots, and, for better or worse the
almost inevitable expansion of the thoroughbred race meet to at least eight
weeks.

SARATOGA LOST

I have an acquaintance who has told me, pointedly, never to begin a sentence
with the words \"Back in the 1970s...\". Said acquaintance is more or less my age
and the words \"back in the 1970s\" (usually uttered wistfully) probably make him
feel ancient. Keeping this in mind, let me say that the Saratoga of 40 or so
years ago featured a real sense of racetrack community. With the limited number
of restaurants and watering holes, it was possible and probable that racing
fans would run into trainers, owners, jockeys, grooms, hustlers and touts over
dinner or drinks, or shopping at a local market. I recall seeing John Piesen of
the New York Post at breakfast, head in hands staring into his coffee
after having no published winners for three straight days. I remember a night
long drinking adventure in a dive bar with a couple of good ole boys from
Kentucky who turned out to be members of the family who owned Golden Chance
Farm, which campaigned decent stakes runners such as Dust Commander and Run
Dusty Run. I will never forget seeing a prominent jockey devouring a huge meal
at Lillian\'s, one of the few upscale restaurants in Saratoga at the time, and
then \"flipping\" the meal in the parking lot a few minutes later.

This sense of community was strengthened by the fact that back in, sorry, 40
years ago, the only way to experience Saratoga racing was to be in Saratoga (or
in a cramped and depressing downstate OTB). The community was privileged to be
watching and wagering on four weeks of racing which was, at the time, far
superior to any racing in North America.

It is highly unlikely that Saratoga racing will ever return to the lofty perch
it occupied in the mid 20th Century. Racing has become decentralized in that
there are graded stakes with big purses run all over the country now. I have
always held the opinion, oft stated here, that the diverse geographical nature
of the trainer colony made Saratoga racing strong and unique. Trainers from
California, the Midwest, the mid-Atlantic region, Canada and Europe and jump
(not jump up) trainers all joined New York regulars upstate. Now, with the
aforementioned decentralization of racing and the unnecessary and politically
driven proliferation of New York bred racing, it is highly unlikely that the
trainer diversity which made Saratoga unique will ever return.

Am I abandoning or boycotting Saratoga? Never. I would never forgo the
opportunity to renew old acquaintances, to visit the old haunts, to hear the
echoes of and see in the shadows great moments of the past, moments which will
always be connected to my (possibly misspent) youth. The words \"bucolic\" or
\"rustic\" will probably never be applied to the Saratoga of the 21st Century,
and it is likely that the new Saratoga will feature traffic jams and crowds,
overpriced and overrated restaurants, and uncomfortable lodgings (there is no
place like home).*

From a horseplayer\'s point of view, Living Room Downs provides a very viable
alternative to a trip upstate. Extensive coverage of the meet is available on
the internet, including Frank D\'s regular communiques. HD TV is a big
improvement, and there are far fewer distractions than at the Spa.

Is Fort Erie or Kentucky Downs the new Saratoga? Nyet, but it is likely that
either one might provide a peaceful week of \"Escape from New York\" that
Saratoga once, but no longer, could be counted on to provide.

------------
* Tried AirBNB for the first time this past summer. Rented a decent room in a
beautiful old house off the main drag. There was a small framed picture on the
dresser in the room I rented. When I looked closely at the framed photo, I was
surprised (terrified?) that my host had somehow found and downloaded a picture
of me when I was about 10 years old; that picture and I spent a few sleepless
hours staring at each other.
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: Edgorman on December 16, 2015, 08:03:01 AM
Ah, back in the 1970\'s.
What a treat it was to go to Siros for post races cocktails.  Me, and maybe the 17 other people hanging out there.
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: moosepalm on December 16, 2015, 08:25:23 AM
Richie, might I be so bold as to suggest, as an alternative to Saratoga, you check out Finger Lakes Race Track, conveniently located off the NYS Thruway, and a short drive from all the charms, wonders, wineries, micro-breweries, distilleries and bucolic charm of the Finger Lakes, themselves.  You will not be gouged by overpriced restaurants nor miss a dinner reservation because you couldn\'t find a parking space this side of Ballston Spa.  And, best of all, you\'ll never have to worry about handicapping \"off the turf.\"

Seriously, that was a marvelous elegiac piece, to which I completely agree and could add nothing of any substance.  I have only been going to the Spa since the 80\'s, but my friends and I agree that more than a small piece of its soul and charm has been traded down for hotel chains and mall stores.  We now stay about fifteen minutes north in a strip motel that time forgot, and will dine in Glens Falls or Ballston Spa, at perfectly fine restaurants, where there is no \"scene\" for us to be out of step with.  We spend Sunday nights in town, when it is not bumper-to-bumper traffic on the sidewalks, and we can catch a meal and some music without having to make a reservation six weeks in advance.  

But, we will never stop going to the Spa until we can\'t, or until they pave over the backyard to make way for a Dunkin\' Donuts and an Abercrombie & Fitch.  As long as I can still find a patch of dirt on to which I can unfold my lawn chair and secure my cooler, I will be there, peering out to Union Ave. and pretending that behind me, Mack Miller, Woody Stephens and the Chief are still saddling horses under the trees.
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: magicnight on December 16, 2015, 10:08:52 AM
Great stuff, Richie! You really don\'t know what you\'ve got \'til it\'s gone.

NYRA says the Spa opens on July 22, but I had to force myself to insert a mere fact check in response to that. Nice \"Shining\" reference in the footnote.
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: TGJB on December 16, 2015, 10:42:18 AM
My comment about the 70\'s referred specifically to bars, with younger people around, who usually have no idea how old we are.

Having said that, I\'m getting tired of being asked if I was at Woodstock. No, MF, I was not.

Glad Bob got the Shining reference, I was scratching my head.

Nice job.
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: Mathcapper on December 16, 2015, 11:19:15 AM
Richie - great piece. I had a bit of the same feeling this past meet, exacerbated by the launch of NYRA\'s terrific new HD feed at Living Room Downs that you noted.

After the meet was over though, I ended up feeling pangs of remorse over the few weekends that I did miss this year (the first such in over three years), like that final weekend in the backyard when Belmont3, Sean D, Uncle Bill, and Topcat were all harmoniously cheering home and subsequently celebrating TGAB's $56 analysis winner Maggiesfreuddnslip.

As you mentioned in a post yesterday (thanks for the kind words btw), I'm fond of telling my own "back in the 1970s\"(late70s/early80s for me) story about how my Dad and I would drive 40 minutes after I got out of school every day to the Hoosick Falls OTB, and often straight through along scenic Rte 9 to the Saratoga Harness simulcast facility, to check the Will Pays in the last race. At the time, I'd be hopping with excitement over the thought of watching another easy "smart-money" winner cruise home at double-digit odds.

What I didn't realize until many years later, but which I think my Dad knew all along, was that it was never about the race.


It was all about the ride.
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: PapaChach on December 16, 2015, 12:02:16 PM
Mathcapper Wrote:
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> What I didn't realize until many years later, but
> which I think my Dad knew all along, was that it
> was never about the race.
>
>
> It was all about the ride.

I, too, sometimes miss the way the Spa used to be; personal golden age ran from about \'87-\'99. But your quote reminded me of the drive home from this year\'s Travers, during which my about-to-turn 17 years old son, still jazzed about what he had witnessed, kept saying to me, \"Dad, I\'ll never forget that as long as I live!\"
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: Boscar Obarra on December 16, 2015, 03:15:38 PM
Back in the 70\' Travers day was TOO CROWDED for me.

 I sympathize.
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: miff on December 16, 2015, 04:04:17 PM
Affirmed/Alydar 1978 Travers.....insane crowd/atmosphere.
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: belmont3 on December 16, 2015, 09:20:12 PM
My early racing days and misspent youth were largely spent at Sufferin Downs in East Boston. In those days , we all thought Joe O\'Shea\'s 3yo star Rise Jim would trounce Spectacular Bid LOL.
During the summers, if The SEVENS Pub proprietor Jack Kiley was willing, we would jump in his Cadddy and head north to the Saratoga of New England: Rockingham Park.....where we would feast on the gourmet offerings of the Track Kitchen.(open to the public).
JK would treat his busted out gang to Clubhouse seats and unlimited Heinekens.
I thought this was horseplayer heaven.

Thus, I was a wee bit tardy getting to Saratoga. It wasn\'t until I relocated to Pennsylvania circa 1981, that I would pull onto a Nelson Avenue front lawn and park my 71 OLDS hung over from a wedding reception the night before.

Unlike my date from the previous evening, it was an instant love affair. My fling that weekend only lasted 48 hours but I would be forever Hopeful.  And I would keep coming back.

Bob
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: fasteddie on December 18, 2015, 06:19:55 AM
My first trip to the Spa was the \'78 Travers. Being a 24 year-old, I had the stamina to get up at 4am, pick up my uncle in South Philly, drive up and spend the day, get lost driving home, and arriving back at 2am!

It was love at first site, and I have been going back ever since. Yes, it has changed, but there is still nothing on God\'s green earth like mornings at Oklahoma, or on the backstretch. The best thing I ever did was get into a NYB partnership, as my wife & I (BTW, we eloped up there!) look forward to seeing our girl\'s (Invading Humor & Distorted Beauty) in their stalls, enjoying the surroundings.

Saratoga forever!
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: trackjohn on December 18, 2015, 07:56:31 AM
Richie:

 Great piece,,,very eloquent!  My first trip was in 1984...owned >10 that ran in Saratoga between 1992-1996...5 of them won and even though the purse back then was the same as Belmont it was infinitely more gratifying winning up there.  Unfortunately times/things change

  You are 100% correct in the \'flavor\' of the town. Even as little as 5-6 years ago I couldn\'t wait to get up there...not anymore.  While I have not missed a trip in 35+ years, it is NOT what it was...BUT neither is Monmouth...Such is the price of \"progress\".

John
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: Niall on December 18, 2015, 08:15:35 AM
Hot off the press, it was announced this week that Mortons Steakhouse will anchor the new racino hotel and that another steakhouse is opening (Salt and Char) and will be run by the former chef at Lespinasse. The Spa ain\'t what it used to be for sure, but it ain\'t bad either...
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: miff on December 18, 2015, 08:21:51 AM
Agree Niall but between NYRA increasing prices every way they can and the ridiculous in town hotel prices,its getting priced out for many regular people.
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: Deadrockstar on December 18, 2015, 10:25:08 AM
A family friend, John Jude Cassidy, was the first bartender at Siro\'s in the summer of 1978 I believe. It was a single bar and bartender and the crowd maxed out at less than 100. I recall a board atop two tall barrels as a bar and drinks were like $2.

Jack said he new Affirmed had run down Sensitive Prince in the Jim Dandy by the roar of the crowd. After died a few years back we gathered for breakfast at the track and an exercise rider spread some of his ashes on the track.

The best thing for the Spa meet would be to shorten it back to 5 weeks, but alas that obviously will never happen. When I go these days I watch from the seats, which are plentiful now that they\'ve jacked up the prices so much.
Title: Re: Saratoga FOUND
Post by: Fairmount1 on December 18, 2015, 08:27:22 PM
Maybe the greatest of experiences are the early times you were fortunate enough to enjoy them without even thinking about it and analyzing as you do when you age and reflect.  I\'m sure everyone on here can make more than a few metaphors or similies to other facets of their life they experienced early on.......and after having \"that experience\" a few or several times, it just isn\'t as overwhelming.  That\'s when you go looking for Fort Erie and Kentucky Downs to replace that first love when maybe that first love is still right there.  

I was born 5 days after Seattle Slew\'s Belmont and Triple Crown sweep.  Despite not seeing Slew or Affirmed, I mark time early in my life by racing learned long after it happened.  When I started following racing and traveling to see various venues, Saratoga was like Mecca and it was out of reach.  It wasn\'t real.  It was so far away on that simulcast feed and there was no way I could get there.  One summer (2008) I thought of driving the 15 hours by myself.  But it was just too far away....  

I was lucky enough despite the high prices to make it to the backyard to meet our author, to meet Frank D., and even TGJB this past summer as I described on the board.  My first Saratoga experience.  It was an utterly spectacular experience.   I saw people on the sidewalk with American Pharoah signs lobbying for him to come to Saratoga.  In what other town in America would anything like this happen?  Not even Louisville or Lexington.  I heard them chanting \"We want Pharoah,\" dressed in Zayat colors, holding up their signs, etc.  People were on the sidewalk selling tip sheets, waters for a cheaper price than inside, horses literally crossing the street on raceday.  I went back in time even if the prices weren\'t the same as described in this thread.

Scenes inside the track made it impossible to stay in one spot more than a few minutes from the sudden onslaught everywhere that causes ADD excitement to people with the discipline of a Buddhist Monk.  The people, the sounds, the colors.  There are HD Televisions for up close shots of Maggie explaining which horses look most intriguing in the paddock.  JB hushing everyone around him to watch and to listen to every word.  How on Earth is this not still every bit a part of the Escape experience that doesn\'t happen anywhere else?  If chills didn\'t roll through you when Liam\'s Map opened up by 4 lengths in the stretch and Honor Code ran him down, then you should retreat to Living Rooms Down.  That feeling only happens in person.  I could go on and on about the town, the track, the scenes.  But you all know it so well because you have been there and you keep going back.

If your complaint is that everyone else has discovered the greatest of \"escapes\" in the world and that everyone else is flocking there and profiting on the experience, all I can say is Welcome to America.  That\'s why people continue to flock to our country for the same exact reasons.  I think you are tilting at windmills a bit richiebee.  

See, the more things change, the more they stay the same.  Saratoga is the same to me as it was to you back in the heydey of Triple Crown winners at the Spa.  Now that his run is over, I have really taken appreciation of Pharoah.  And while he lost in the Travers, his sporting gesture to run there helped put him down in the Pantheon of Greats and Triple Crown winners to race there.  20 years from now I might be saying due to age that Saratoga just isn\'t the same as it was back in \'15.  But hopefully I will realize that it will still be the same escape as it was my first time.  

I will tell all of you when I FOUND Saratoga.  I was in the backyard with our author richiebee and he asked me a few questions that led to me saying, \"I have been through so much that I am just enjoying my life and I love racing.\"  And he replied to me, \"This is THE place to just get away.  This is IT!!\"  That was in 2015, not 40 years ago.  Saratoga LOST??? ....no way, I say \"Saratoga FOUND!!!\"  I know that as you age,human nature tends to accentuate the changes that have happened as we yearn for previous memory enhanced experiences.  But maybe it is just our aging that causes the current experience to seem not as romantic or nostalgic as we relive it each year.

I bet when I head to Saratoga again next summer, richiebee will be there for Whitney weekend in the backyard, amongst the trees, tasting the spring water to feel that exuberant youth when he didn\'t take on the role of 21st century John Milton.  And he along with all of you might not have Summer Nights ringing in your mind as the latest pop hit like when Alydar was placed first via DQ of Affirmed but you will all be drawn in to be there again. I will agree though that there are other escapes out there.  I have a pretty strong feeling that Franklin, Kentucky will be where I meet the \'bee a 2nd time in 2016 to whet his appetite for him to wax poetic again.  And after cheating on Saratoga, he will recapturetheglory of back in day of the Triple Crown era and likely post to the board that while he tried a love affair with Fort Erie and some Kentucky Downs\' lovin\', that Saratoga is what he will be returning to in 2017 as Old Faithful.  

Richiebee, I am real curious to ask:  Despite your attempt to find new loves, is it possible that the real Timeless Magic** of your life will always be under the trees in the backyard near Union and East Avenues?  

__________________

**Bonus Points to anyone besides the original author of this string who can identify the allusion in the final paragraph and it\'s connection to richiebee.   If no one answers it by Monday richiebee, you have to explain to the board.
Title: Re: Saratoga FOUND
Post by: TGJB on December 19, 2015, 08:55:46 AM
Fair-- I don\'t know the last bit, but big props for Milton.
Title: Re: Saratoga FOUND
Post by: Topcat on December 19, 2015, 02:47:07 PM
Fairmount1 Wrote:
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> Maybe the greatest of experiences are the early
> times you were fortunate enough to enjoy them
> without even thinking about it and analyzing as
> you do when you age and reflect.  I\'m sure
> everyone on here can make more than a few
> metaphors or similies to other facets of their
> life they experienced early on.......and after
> having \"that experience\" a few or several times,
> it just isn\'t as overwhelming.  That\'s when you go
> looking for Fort Erie and Kentucky Downs to
> replace that first love when maybe that first love
> is still right there.  
>
> I was born 5 days after Seattle Slew\'s Belmont and
> Triple Crown sweep.  Despite not seeing Slew or
> Affirmed, I mark time early in my life by racing
> learned long after it happened.  When I started
> following racing and traveling to see various
> venues, Saratoga was like Mecca and it was out of
> reach.  It wasn\'t real.  It was so far away on
> that simulcast feed and there was no way I could
> get there.  One summer (2008) I thought of driving
> the 15 hours by myself.  But it was just too far
> away....  
>
> I was lucky enough despite the high prices to make
> it to the backyard to meet our author, to meet
> Frank D., and even TGJB this past summer as I
> described on the board.  My first Saratoga
> experience.  It was an utterly spectacular
> experience.   I saw people on the sidewalk with
> American Pharoah signs lobbying for him to come to
> Saratoga.  In what other town in America would
> anything like this happen?  Not even Louisville or
> Lexington.  I heard them chanting \"We want
> Pharoah,\" dressed in Zayat colors, holding up
> their signs, etc.  People were on the sidewalk
> selling tip sheets, waters for a cheaper price
> than inside, horses literally crossing the street
> on raceday.  I went back in time even if the
> prices weren\'t the same as described in this
> thread.
>
> Scenes inside the track made it impossible to stay
> in one spot more than a few minutes from the
> sudden onslaught everywhere that causes ADD
> excitement to people with the discipline of a
> Buddhist Monk.  The people, the sounds, the
> colors.  There are HD Televisions for up close
> shots of Maggie explaining which horses look most
> intriguing in the paddock.  JB hushing everyone
> around him to watch and to listen to every word.
> How on Earth is this not still every bit a part of
> the Escape experience that doesn\'t happen anywhere
> else?  If chills didn\'t roll through you when
> Liam\'s Map opened up by 4 lengths in the stretch
> and Honor Code ran him down, then you should
> retreat to Living Rooms Down.  That feeling only
> happens in person.  I could go on and on about the
> town, the track, the scenes.  But you all know it
> so well because you have been there and you keep
> going back.
>
> If your complaint is that everyone else has
> discovered the greatest of \"escapes\" in the world
> and that everyone else is flocking there and
> profiting on the experience, all I can say is
> Welcome to America.  That\'s why people continue to
> flock to our country for the same exact reasons.
> I think you are tilting at windmills a bit
> richiebee.  
>
> See, the more things change, the more they stay
> the same.  Saratoga is the same to me as it was to
> you back in the heydey of Triple Crown winners at
> the Spa.  Now that his run is over, I have really
> taken appreciation of Pharoah.  And while he lost
> in the Travers, his sporting gesture to run there
> helped put him down in the Pantheon of Greats and
> Triple Crown winners to race there.  20 years from
> now I might be saying due to age that Saratoga
> just isn\'t the same as it was back in \'15.  But
> hopefully I will realize that it will still be the
> same escape as it was my first time.  
>
> I will tell all of you when I FOUND Saratoga.  I
> was in the backyard with our author richiebee and
> he asked me a few questions that led to me saying,
> \"I have been through so much that I am just
> enjoying my life and I love racing.\"  And he
> replied to me, \"This is THE place to just get
> away.  This is IT!!\"  That was in 2015, not 40
> years ago.  Saratoga LOST??? ....no way, I say
> \"Saratoga FOUND!!!\"  I know that as you age,human
> nature tends to accentuate the changes that have
> happened as we yearn for previous memory enhanced
> experiences.  But maybe it is just our aging that
> causes the current experience to seem not as
> romantic or nostalgic as we relive it each year.
>
> I bet when I head to Saratoga again next summer,
> richiebee will be there for Whitney weekend in the
> backyard, amongst the trees, tasting the spring
> water to feel that exuberant youth when he didn\'t
> take on the role of 21st century John Milton.  And
> he along with all of you might not have Summer
> Nights ringing in your mind as the latest pop hit
> like when Alydar was placed first via DQ of
> Affirmed but you will all be drawn in to be there
> again. I will agree though that there are other
> escapes out there.  I have a pretty strong feeling
> that Franklin, Kentucky will be where I meet the
> \'bee a 2nd time in 2016 to whet his appetite for
> him to wax poetic again.  And after cheating on
> Saratoga, he will recapturetheglory of back in day
> of the Triple Crown era and likely post to the
> board that while he tried a love affair with Fort
> Erie and some Kentucky Downs\' lovin\', that
> Saratoga is what he will be returning to in 2017
> as Old Faithful.  
>
> Richiebee, I am real curious to ask:  Despite your
> attempt to find new loves, is it possible that the
> real Timeless Magic** of your life will always be
> under the trees in the backyard near Union and
> East Avenues?  
>
> __________________
>
> **Bonus Points to anyone besides the original
> author of this string who can identify the
> allusion in the final paragraph and it\'s
> connection to richiebee.   If no one answers it by
> Monday richiebee, you have to explain to the
> board.


Have multiple friends in this business who morn the passing of the \'way-back Good Old Days of the Spa (60s), when they were drawing 5/6K (maybe) weekdays, and that\'s just the way they liked it -- with zippo crowds.  Problem is, had it stayed that way, not at all certain it would be here, now.

The mind boggles.

  My first trip was in \'77, when the cat was already well out of the bag.  The popularity of the attraction makes it better.  One simply hopes that those largely motivated by blind greed and self-gratification don\'t make it worse -- in large part because they simply don\'t know any better.
Title: Re: Saratoga FOUND
Post by: Mathcapper on December 20, 2015, 12:39:52 AM
Being that I'm much more well-versed in sci fi geekdom than classic English Literature, aside from richiebee's allusion to the Milton epic, his narrative immediately brought to mind a classic episode (and the screenwriter's personal favorite) of an anthology of a different sort, about a stopover in an imaginary idyllic town, written by a guy named Serling (no relation to the one we're all familiar with as far as I know).

If I was on the train featured in that episode, Saratoga would be where I'd be getting off, be it the Saratoga of yesteryear or the one of today.
Title: Re: Saratoga FOUND
Post by: Topcat on December 20, 2015, 04:55:31 AM
Mathcapper Wrote:
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> Being that I'm much more well-versed in sci fi
> geekdom than classic English Literature, aside
> from richiebee's allusion to the Milton epic, his
> narrative immediately brought to mind a classic
> episode (and the screenwriter's personal favorite)
> of an anthology of a different sort, about a
> stopover in an imaginary idyllic town, written by
> a guy named Serling (no relation to the one we're
> all familiar with as far as I know).
>
> If I was on the train featured in that episode,
> Saratoga would be where I'd be getting off, be it
> the Saratoga of yesteryear or the one of today.



\"This . . . is Willoughby . . . \"
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: richiebee on June 17, 2017, 01:15:41 AM
fasteddie Wrote:
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> My first trip to the Spa was the \'78 Travers.
> Being a 24 year-old, I had the stamina to get up
> at 4am, pick up my uncle in South Philly, drive up
> and spend the day, get lost driving home, and
> arriving back at 2am!
>
> It was love at first site, and I have been going
> back ever since. Yes, it has changed, but there is
> still nothing on God\'s green earth like mornings
> at Oklahoma, or on the backstretch. The best thing
> I ever did was get into a NYB partnership, as my
> wife & I (BTW, we eloped up there!) look forward
> to seeing our girl\'s (Invading Humor & Distorted
> Beauty) in their stalls, enjoying the
> surroundings.

>

Eddie:

And there she is, your girls\' little sister, Race 1 at Bel Saturday.

Best of luck, hope Smart and Sassy enjoys the same success as her older
siblings!
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: hellersorr on June 17, 2017, 10:45:49 AM
Hmmm.. . Looks like Eddie just got mushed.
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: richiebee on June 17, 2017, 11:04:44 AM
...and you sacrifice decency for the sake of a quip?

Saw the filly gallop across the finish line, hope Ortiz just got muddy.
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: hellersorr on June 17, 2017, 08:59:09 PM
I also saw the filly gallop out just fine.  Ortiz appears to be fine, as well.

And I\'ll put my decency against yours any day you like.
Title: Re: Saratoga Lost
Post by: richiebee on June 18, 2017, 07:21:23 AM
hellersorr Wrote:
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> And I\'ll put my decency against yours any day you
> like.

...and you would win, sir.

I was an also ran in the Decency Derby. After all, there is a sticker affixed
to my bumper which reads \"If Jesus loves me, why does everyone else think I\'m
an a--hole?\"

Say Hi to Dorothy for me.

Further affiant sayeth naught.