Ran really big with all of the wide.
Supers okay under the chalk/chalk but he was better than Frosted.
Yea, should have had second. Awful ride by Desormeaux. Really misused his energy.
should not have lost 5 lengths in ground to Frosted in an 8 horse field.
KI ran a fast final 1/8 as well. probably left a bit on the track.
Keen Ice couldn\'t have gotten a worse ride. 3W4W(?) in an 8 horse field and agree that he hit wire with plenty in tank. Curious to see his Trakus. Probably moved forward to a 0 that should have put him in exacta. Slumber-AP double generous at $71.20.
KEEN ICE seems the only horse to move forward in the Belmont. Once again, just like the Preakness, none of the big boys showed up! Certainly McLaughlin couldn\'t have gone forward (reacting to the -2). Certainly the winner couldn\'t have gone forward (reacting to the -3).
Let me put it another way: If Jerry gives AP a forward move in this Belmont, I\'d consider the line \"un-theory.\" That is, I\'d think the colt was injected with something strong after the Preakness. [I remember after Baffert\'s POINT GIVEN lost the Derby and then bounced back to win the Preakness, one of Rick Dutrow\'s owners bragged as explanation that: \"My vet worked on him!\"] Reports of AP\'s terrific works came out after the Preakness. Why should he work so killer after his -3 awesome Derby and Preakness? Because he\'s a special amazing horse? Perhaps so.
By the way, speaking of Kent\'s wide ride on KEEN ICE... did Desormeaux\'s wide ride on REAL QUIET in the Belmont cost that one the Triple Crown? If memory serves, he was wide down the backstretch and if he\'d just saved a little ground...
It\'s been awhile since I took physics and I did flirt a lot in that class with a pretty young lady so I may not have always been paying attention.
So please inform me how one loses ground running in a straight line \"down the backside\"? Figure makers since Noah tried to take a short cut with his ark have counted ground loss on turns.
I guess Ussery\'s alley defied the laws of physics.
Kent D. gets beat in a very tight photo out of a triple crown by a really good horse. If it goes the other way he is lauded for timing his move perfectly?
Frank D.
Sometimes he tends to \"rush a horse\" on the backstretch, making an early move to nowhere...see Hold Me Back in the Mine that Bird Derby. Yesterday\'s ride was inexplicable. Close early which forced him to be wide, then taken back on the backstretch but still in the 4 wide path so when he reached the far turn he was wide again, and then finishing with a ton of horse in a 12F race.
No defense to yesterdays ride it was horrible. I\'m a bit confused to your reference? He rode Big Brown and won that Derby from the 20 hole, so where was the early move to nowhere?
I\'m not P-Dub defending Mike Smith here, I have always respected Kent\'s ability but he\'s not MY GUY. All I know is he has 3 eclipse awards and even more impressive he was 7 time leading rider in Cali in the late 80\'s and early 90\'s riding in without a doubt the toughest jock colony ever assembled in a one place.
He is by no stretch of the imagination the same rider he was but will flash that brilliance every now and again.
Sorry, post corrected. It was the Mine that Bird Derby. Sixth furlong he made huge move on backstretch and used up the horse.
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> Yea, should have had second. Awful ride by
> Desormeaux. Really misused his energy.
Do you think Keen Ice would have finished ahead of the Dubai horse if KD doesn\'t have him up close early?
Good Luck,
Joe B
He was up close early to the Mubta (1 length back at 8f) but then had dropped 3 1/2 lengths behind him at 10F. Keen Ice lost 5 lengths to Frosted in the same 2F.
The horse has no turn of foot. Loses ground on turns because he lacks the athleticism to change leads and accelerate on them. Powers on again in the straightaway. To say he ran better than Frosted and should have finished ahead of him is the head scratcher for me.
Good Luck,
Joe B.
Without criticizing anyone\'s opinion, I am wondering why Keen Ice and
Marijuanatahiiiiij are getting so much ink in the post mortem. No factor
Derby, no factor Belmont.
If you cashed either the Odds on favorite/ second favorite/All tri or super,
well played I guess. Probably did not need the TGs or DRF to make this
\"trotter punch\".
Keen Ice\'s best chances of winning (my opinion) will be in an ungraded stake
race at Mth or Ellis Park (are they still open for business?), where he will
be a ridiculously short price based on his Triple Crown efforts.
As to Mangotahiiiij, the only reason I can think that he remained in America
after a \"meh\" Derby run (my opinion) is that they were looking for someone
with deep pockets to make an outlandish offer (although admittedly Arab sheiks
are more known as buyers than sellers). I will let market expert Jimmy
C tell me if this was the case. He is returning to Europe with the long term
goal being the Big Race at Meydan next March.
Again, not criticizing anyone\'s opinion or either of these two colts, but
there is only one colt who should be spoken about; I think AP was a man among
boys throughout his Triple Crown campaign, and kudos to Baffert for preparing
AP for two smashing efforts after a Derby which should have taken more out of
AP.
Bee,
If you look beyond AP\'s performance, gotta think Keen Ice was a surprise given his trip.For a horse with a slug designation going in, he certainly ran an ok+ race imo. True,never threatened to win but none of the others did either. Watched again and he could have gotten Fraud-sted with a better trip, ran a big top.Slow pace or not, never saw Keen forwardly placed before,think he\'s getting faster.Moob also tried, and at least made a small run at AP, the field was overmatched as it turned out.
A few derby trail types to attack(Trancendure, Frammento,Verve)when they show up in races where they sport good company lines but maintain slug status until they prove otherwise.
Mike
Maggie pointed out Keen Ice in the paddock as the one whose physique seemed most suited to the 12 furlongs. If memory serves, she called Materiality \"short-coupled\" and noted that Frosted was on the small side. She said AP looked great.
I told myself that i\'m done with kent. either way he\'s awefully dumb.
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> I told myself that i\'m done with kent. either way
> he\'s awefully dumb.
$257 million in earnings. I wish I was that dumb.
Good Luck,
Joe B.
jkotik Wrote:
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> I told myself that i\'m done with kent. either way
> he\'s awefully dumb.
Any of us can find rides by any jockey in the country that didn\'t meet our lofty standards. Usually, a parimutuel loss accompanies it.
The guy was once a top jockey on the toughest circuit in the country. You don\'t achieve that by being \"dumb\". He can still ride well, and is an excellent rider on the turf. I never have a problem with him on a horse. Brought home a nice $23+ Big Cap Saturday that triggered many nice horizontals.
He has certainly had his issues no doubt, but the man can still ride. Calling him \"dumb\" is a little excessive. As stated, dumb enough to earn $257 mil in purses.
Btw,she also referred to Slumber as \"slinking around the paddock like a big cat\".She named Slumber as her \"paddock pick\".
Maggie\'s been unbelievable recently. Liked the foreign made that won the New York Friday among others.
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> Maggie\'s been unbelievable recently. Liked the
> foreign made that won the New York Friday among
> others.
She\'s in love.
Maggie is probably the one subject on which this board is in complete agreement. I wonder where she and Mr. Morley are registered. The board should chip in and get them something nice. I\'m down.
By the way, her comments about Japan Saturday-- \"not G rated\" and \"Excited to be racing\" were pretty funny.
Playing Patriot Hills today.
Some scoff at eyeballing/conformation/physicality but it is a part of the great puzzle. When Andy H, Gary Y and others raved about AP\'s attributes, long before anyone really knew the horse, some clueless taking heads mocked them.
Maggie, like predecessor Jan, around horses forever and has good feel for what a horse is presenting in the walking ring. Efforts to have Maggie\'s time on air increased by a couple of minutes per race fell on deaf NYRA ears amongst other player friendly ideas.
NYRA easily the most smug unfriendly venue towards players, by far. Any suggestion is met with a defensive attitude and closed mind....f-king idiots and politically appointed stooges steering the ship.Fitting that recent Cuomo appointee Bonomo(NYRA Chairman)resigned under the cloud of an indictment of State Sen Skelos and son in a kickback crime.
NY Racing still cloudy picture. In spite of huge National TV/Press coverage of Belmont, Cuomo a no show again,his disdain for great racing game should concern anyone with skin in NY Racing.
Clueless Clowns still at it Frank, quarterly NYRA bash satisfied.
Maggie off, getting married.
Nice day for it. Text me if you are playing next Tuesday. I could probably make that one.
Quote from: Fitting that recent Cuomo appointee Bonomo(NYRA Chairman)resigned under the cloud of an indictment of State Sen Skelos and son in a kickback crime.
Preet Bharara is conducting one very interesting investigation, isn\'t he? Two outta three ain\'t bad, as they say, but with Shelly and Mean Dean already in the bag, I can\'t help but wonder if Bharara has his sights set on the top of the Albany pyramid....
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> Efforts to have Maggie\'s time on air increased by
> a couple of minutes per race fell on deaf NYRA ears
> amongst other player friendly ideas.
Wasn\'t aware of this, but I\'d be the first to sign a petition to revisit the effort.
I haven\'t watched the ride. He has done some nice riding out west lately, though. He has brought in a lot of winners with well-timed rides. I pay attention when he is on a horse at SA.
Leamas.
Jay Privman\'s description of Keen Ice trip. Reads more like a Kentucky Derby trip than a trip in an 8 horse Belmont, but as many on the board smarter than me have suggested, maybe his lack of atheticism and turn of foot makes Keen Ice a horse that will get more bad trips than most.
KEEN ICE, who finished third, broke last, advanced enough to wind up four paths wide entering the first turn, then stayed wide on the backstretch and found himself three and then four paths wide while moving around the far turn. He had been ridden fairly aggressively with four furlongs to go, but at the quarter pole, jockey Kent Desormeaux seemed to ride him more sympathetically. He dropped back to fifth nearing the top of the lane, then was steered widest of all by Desormeaux, who started riding with renewed fervor, and Keen Ice responded, closing well to finish third.
I\'m reminded that in the late going, usually, its the dramatic deceleration of the horses being caught that make the late runner look fast.
I think that was a part of what made the Met Mile look so dramatic. I\'m more inclined to believe Keen Ice ran at top speed the entire race. Which explains Kent\'s ride. Not.
\"dramatic deceleration\"
Decide for yourself if it was dramatic.
Leader\'s fractions:
22.33 44.75(22.42) 1:08.79(24.04) 1:21.12(12.33) 1:33.12(11.77)
Honor Code\'s fractions:
24.09 46.63(22.54) 1:09.83(23.20) 1:21.35(11.52) 1:33.12(11.77)
Private Zone was the leader through 7 furlongs. Private Zone opening quarter 22.33, HC\'s final quarter was 23.29.
HC ran 7 feet further than PZ.
Information from Trakus on NYRA\'s website.
So my math has Honor Code running the last quarter about 7+ tics faster than Private Zone or 1.2 seconds + or - is that about right?
I don\'t think my math is right. HC was in 9th @ 3/4 not 2nd. Boo Me! In any event all the top 3 in that race can run a mile lots faster than Keen Ice.
My first post praising Maggies work dates back to 2011.
Do I get a prize?
Boscar, I recall you being the first one to suggest that instead of the boys getting 3 minutes and Maggie getting 1, it should be the other way around. But being first is its own reward, so no prize for you!!!