For someone who says he didn\'t do it, Ahmed Zayat sure seems to lie a lot.
http://around2turns.com/2015/05/31/the-smell-of-victory/
Your writing is such a treat. Your reporting also shines. Thanks!
Record of New Jersey raised the fact that Harvard had no record of his ever having attended
Zayat must be the inspiration for USA Cable TV\'s Suits.
Magic I as always love the presentation but do not understand the infatuation
with the subject matter here, especially the Drape NYT article. If the NYT was
going to have a full time racing writer who would cover racing regularly (and
you know who my nominee for this position is), it would be OK that a couple of
articles per year would be dedicated to the dark underbelly of the racing
game, its roguish heritage, the Runyonesque characters.
If racing is only going to be covered sporadically, let me read about horses
and jockeys and the glorious history of racing.
I think Drape also neglected to mention that the owner of the last Triple
Crown winner, Affirmed, endured his own share of legal problems.
So Zayat doesn\'t place great value on honesty. He has a reputation in the
thoroughbred business for not placing a great value on paying people in a
timely manner. He associates with some folks who might be unsavory. He likes
to gamble. He has declared bankruptcy. All in all it might be said that he
represents a composite .. albeit a wealthy one... of many of the people one
might meet on the backstretch on any given day at any given American racetrack.
So I keep reading these things about Zayat and waiting to read something that
surprises or angers me. I have no problem that when Zayat does business with
Egyptians he portrays himself as an Egyptian who happens to be Jewish, and
when he does business with Jews he portrays himself as a Jew who happens to be
Egyptian.
I am not going to hold it against Zayat -- or his Triple Crown candidate --
that he will never be mistaken for Mrs. Genter.
Many will disagree, but under today\'s laws, I look upon those that file for bankruptcy with far more disdain than a convicted felon depending on the offense.
It\'s a felony to say \"Yeah, I kept the cash...that\'s what I\'m doing\" when you allegedly commit another ridiculous \"felonious offense\" of withdrawing money in increments to avoid notices being sent to government authorities....just one example from last week.
Curious if Zayat ever really did start paying back 100 percent of its debts.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2010-07-16/zayat-stables-exits-bankruptcy-with-undertaking-to-repay-debts-in-full
Poor guy, and this article alludes to another instance that the facts were all reported wrong. $200k a weekend and 9 million bucks total? Impressive for 2013 especially depending on whether his company had re-paid 100 percent of its debts.
http://www.drf.com/news/new-jersey-extended-ahmed-zayat-betting-credit-report-claims
Great writing magicnight but I\'d still like to see the horse succeed!
richiebee wrote: \"let me read about horses
and jockeys and the glorious history of racing.\"
richiebee,
I tried to get through your recommended Wink, but just couldn\'t do it after several hundred pages of droning on of histroy beyond Wink. Just finished Duel for the Crown with much detail on Affirmed and Alydar and I am almost finished with The Saratoga Race Course: The August Place to Be by Kimberly Gatto. My bet is you have read it already but if not, check it out.
Fairmount:
I\'m sure you have read \"Wild Ride\", the story of the looting of Calumet and the
mysterious death of Alydar; ties right in with the subject matter currently being
discussed.
RM Hernandez, the Fairmount kid, looked good winning Saturday\'s feature at Belmont
and rides a couple for Wesley Ward on Friday.
Great story Magic and poetically written as always.
Ritchie I tend agree with you on the nothing really surprises me part. Whether it was Pittsburgh Phil, Jules Fink or even Grand Daddy Rooney who made his money doing Book on the Clubhouse turn at old Hialeah Park in the winter then later formed the Pittsburgh Steelers with his $25,000, your right racing is filled with these types.
Lets not leave out Manuel Noriega the former dictator of Panama who lost Manila to Bradley Shannon as he was too busy fleeing Panama when overtaken in a coup. Peter Brandt, Gary Tanaka, Mike Lasky (Warren) or even Edi Labutti who inherited Devil His Due when the real owner was Noriega style hiding from the law.
You were saying the track Backstretch, how about the Turf Club, Grandstand bar or local OTB. Most of these characters are part of the track ambiance. So Zayat gambles on credit, buys horses on credit and doesn\'t pay. That makes him a bad guy. Lets bring back Steve Colburn.....
Thanks for the memories. I\'d forgotten about the Labutti/Devil His Due story.
DHD was a brilliantly fast horse trained by HA Jerkens. I seem to recall that the
story involved a tax cheat who \"parked\" DHD with his daughter.
Lots of lovable rogues. My favorite might be Nelson Bunker Hunt, who I met in the
CD clubhouse on the day Genuine Risk won the Derby, before the silver market
collapsed on him. I asked one of Hunt\'s daughters whether it was difficult to
shop for gifts for such a wealthy man; she replied that \"Daddy loves McDonald\'s
gift certificates.\"
One of the not so lovable ones was Ernie Paragallo, for years a leading owner and
breeder at the NYRA tracks who was convicted and imprisoned for neglecting horses.
Hey Richie (and this is also my thanks for people reading and the nice comments!), rest assured I have no designs on being Drape Jr. I would love to write funnier and more generally pleasant pieces and will aim to do more (OK, some) of that. Don\'t want to be just a scold. But I also couldn\'t let this pass with AP sitting on the verge of history and this two-faced bum getting a pass.
I agree it is not a surprise that there are guys like this in racing, but I have a problem when he screws little guys like Rubinsky just because he can, and then goes off as some kind of holy man because he names a $4 million horse after Maimonides to advance peace in the Middle East. I think this story also shows how racing authorities selectively enforce the rules, especially when it could be construed as being bad for business.
Besides, I hate when liars like Zayat get to coast unscathed through these types of events because no one want to be a Debbie Downer. I\'m of the camp where you should kick them when they are up and offer a hand when they are down. Afflict the comfortable and all that.
Enough for now. Thanks as always ...
Bob
Hernandez\'s turf riding skills are improving fast. A few rides last weekend really impressed me. Obviously he won on Derby Day and yesterday for Bradley but Ward and others (including Tagg at Gulf I think) have given him chances. He is still better on dirt but a rising star I hope.
Quick story from FP. A few years ago, Fairmount hosted a quarter horse stakes race. Guys from out of town that were only quarter horse guys showed up. Rafael was riding for a local trainer who remains un-named b/c the trainer was in Name Only. In the paddock, the Mexican owner and his family that live on the backside of Fairmount were dressed to the nines and the owner saddled the horse. The kids were wearing the dressiest clothes you could imagine....it was shocking. The horse\'s mane was braided. Hernandez walked out and hugged every single one of the family members like they were his family. I couldn\'t understand a word of conversation between the family elder giving instructions to Rafael but it was all business. After he hoisted Hernandez, I followed this real trainer of the horse to the window. He placed an enormous wager on the horse given his \"station in life\" and I did as well after standing right behind him in line. Rafael broke the horse faster than all the quarter horse jocks and zipped him to the wire at 5-1. I stood about 25 feet from where the family watched the race. Their excitement was infectious. Rafael\'s ride and their joy brought a smile to my face as much as the winning ticket I held.
Maybe you saw this story and video long ago but the video gives you a sense of what a likeable jockey he is to be around. My favorite local trainer Michael Nance used him in his early days in Collinsville and always said he was an outstanding jockey.
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/horses/2014/11/24/jockey-rafael-hernandez-plucked-obscurity-brings-winning-ways-churchill-downs/70056176/
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Wild Ride is the best horse racing book I\'ve ever read including previous favorites Diary of a Dream, Horse of a Different Color, Seabiscuit, and Rick B.\'s likely favorite Horseplayers. One fascinating angle of the story is the Lundy family lived out the saying that the apple doesn\'t fall far from the tree:
http://www.kentucky.com/2008/11/16/593249_horseman-learns-an-expensive-lesson.html?rh=1
Now there was a true bum!!
Who was the other prominent owner who not so long unexpectedly passed of a heart attack who conspired alongside Nelson Bunker Hunt to corner the Silver market? NO matter but for GODS SAKE Ritchie how did we forget Robert Brennan.
He didnt just own a stable of winning horses (2YO Champ Dehere) he owned his own Race Track (old but then new Garden State Park), singlehandedly bitch slapped the Triple Crown before being jailed for over a decade for major stock fraud with his pump and dump Securities Firm.. Seriously Zayat is the local Ice Cream man compared to some of these. And he wont be the last.....
Ever since Zayat jettisoned Asmussen right after the PETA thing broke I haven\'t been a fan....seemed like he made the move rather quickly without the facts even being known to make himself look good. Certainly not a crime but another example of low character, IMO.
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> Rick B.\'s likely favorite Horseplayers.
Don\'t know about Rick B., but I enjoyed it very much. Very colorful slice of life portrayals. Not the best book on the subject, but very entertaining, including an interesting segment on Fairmount Park.
If you enjoyed Horseplayers, you might also enjoy Not By A Long Shot by T.D. Thornton about Suffolk.
The Big Horse was a fast read about Volponi and PG Johnson.
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> Magic I as always love the presentation but do not
> understand the infatuation
> with the subject matter here, especially the Drape
> NYT article. If the NYT was
> going to have a full time racing writer who would
> cover racing regularly (and
> you know who my nominee for this position is), it
> would be OK that a couple of
> articles per year would be dedicated to the dark
> underbelly of the racing
> game, its roguish heritage, the Runyonesque
> characters.
>
> If racing is only going to be covered
> sporadically, let me read about horses
> and jockeys and the glorious history of racing.
>
> I think Drape also neglected to mention that the
> owner of the last Triple
> Crown winner, Affirmed, endured his own share of
> legal problems.
>
> So Zayat doesn\'t place great value on honesty. He
> has a reputation in the
> thoroughbred business for not placing a great
> value on paying people in a
> timely manner. He associates with some folks who
> might be unsavory. He likes
> to gamble. He has declared bankruptcy. All in all
> it might be said that he
> represents a composite .. albeit a wealthy one...
> of many of the people one
> might meet on the backstretch on any given day at
> any given American racetrack.
>
> So I keep reading these things about Zayat and
> waiting to read something that
> surprises or angers me. I have no problem that
> when Zayat does business with
> Egyptians he portrays himself as an Egyptian who
> happens to be Jewish, and
> when he does business with Jews he portrays
> himself as a Jew who happens to be
> Egyptian.
>
> I am not going to hold it against Zayat -- or his
> Triple Crown candidate --
> that he will never be mistaken for Mrs. Genter.
I was going to comment on this a few weeks ago.
I\'m amazed that so many of you are giving this guy a pass. I\'m sure some of you wager on sports, perhaps you\'ve also dealt with a local book. There is an agent between you and the book. At least, that\'s what I\'ve heard.
This guy wagers millions, loses because he is a lousy gambler, and stiffs the guy who arranged the credit?? And this is ok? Because.....the guy he stiffed may be a bit unsavory too? So that makes his lack of character and integrity ok?? Sticking this guy with the bill is ok?? You lost, pay your effing debt.
Sorry guys, but its hard for me to root for a guy like this. Maybe he is a \"composite of many of the people one might meet on the backstretch on any given day at any given American racetrack.\" How many of those backstretch guys are trying for a TC and racing immortality??
Egyptian who happens to be Jewish, Jew who happens to be Egyptian. Big deal. Someone with his wealth that skips out on a gambling debt? He\'s a POS.
Which means this bleep\'s horse will win on Saturday.
Well said. The guy gets rich stiffing other people.
P-Dub Wrote:
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> I was going to comment on this a few weeks ago.
>
> I\'m amazed that so many of you are giving this guy
> a pass. I\'m sure some of you wager on sports,
> perhaps you\'ve also dealt with a local book. There
> is an agent between you and the book. At least,
> that\'s what I\'ve heard.
>
> This guy wagers millions, loses because he is a
> lousy gambler, and stiffs the guy who arranged the
> credit?? And this is ok? Because.....the guy he
> stiffed may be a bit unsavory too? So that makes
> his lack of character and integrity ok?? Sticking
> this guy with the bill is ok?? You lost, pay your
> effing debt.
Again, review history. The owner of the last Triple Crown winner, Affirmed,
was Harbor View Farm. The master of Harbor View Farm was Louis Wolfson. Google
\"Louis Wolfson/SEC violations\" or \"Louis Wolfson/federal prison.\" Louis Wolfson
and other co defendants perpetrated fraud on the stockholders of publicly held
corporations, perpetrated fraud on the entire marketplace. This story was not
widely reported in the coverage of Affirmed\'s Triple Crown bid, mostly because
the journalism game has changed, just like the racing game has.
> Sorry guys, but its hard for me to root for a guy
> like this. Maybe he is a \"composite of many of the
> people one might meet on the backstretch on any
> given day at any given American racetrack.\" How
> many of those backstretch guys are trying for a TC
> and racing immortality??
You need to separate the owner from the horse. Zayat, Mike Pegram, and Bob
and Beverly Lewis (Mr Lewis is no longer with us, I do not know about Mrs
Lewis) all made their fortunes the same way, through owning huge beer
distributorships. Should I be wringing my hands about how many folks died over
the weekend in drunk driving accidents? Should I have held it against former
owner Aaron U Jones that he may have cut down more trees than he planted in
his lumber business? Should all Calumet horses be banned from competing
because the current owner of Calumet, Brad Kelley, made his considerable
fortune (he is one of the 10 largest real property owners in the US) from
selling cigarettes?
I once saw Kelso\'s five HOY trophies all displayed in one gleaming case at
the National Racing Hall of Fame. Kelso was owned by a member of the DuPont
family, which before it branched off into chemicals, made its initial fortune
perfecting gunpowder and producing weapons...and on and on.
> Egyptian who happens to be Jewish, Jew who happens
> to be Egyptian. Big deal. Someone with his wealth
> that skips out on a gambling debt? He\'s a POS.
Okay, he is a POS. But at my age, I only have a certain amount of anger
left. Some of it is of course reserved for my wife; another portion is
reserved for my employer, which is sometimes so inept that they make NYRA look
like it operates like a fine Swiss watch. I will reserve the remaining anger
for teachers entrusted with children who violate that trust, for public
servants who only serve themselves, for the handful of NFL brutes who are
arrested each week for domestic violence and animal abuse...
> Which means this bleep\'s horse will win on
> Saturday.
Who can wait till Saturday? I already have the PPs for Friday. TGs
available today guys?
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> For someone who says he didn\'t do it, Ahmed Zayat
> sure seems to lie a lot.
>
> http://around2turns.com/2015/05/31/the-smell-of-vi
> ctory/
Just getting around to this, Bob. Nicely done, as always. I\'ve always believed in gambler\'s karma. If you owe somebody, even a faceless corporate entity, you pay it off right away. I don\'t have particularly high expectations of character at the top of the business, nor will I come up with a POS rank ordering of all of them. If AP wins, I will hold my nose, and say, \"good for the sport.\" If he loses, maybe the wheel of karma had a say in it. However, in truth, there is no timing for karmic payback. But, there will always be a price that is paid, in some form of currency. Nothing evaporates into thin air.
Moose how does that karmic wheel spin work if all the people Zayat stiffed get
paid if AP wins?
Karma can be komplicated, no?
One of my favorite bumper stickers, right up there with \"Jesus loves you, but
everyone else thinks you\'re an asshole\" says \"My karma ran over your dogma.\"
richiebee Wrote:
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> Moose how does that karmic wheel spin work if all
> the people Zayat stiffed get
> paid if AP wins?
>
> Karma can be komplicated, no?
>
> One of my favorite bumper stickers, right up there
> with \"Jesus loves you, but
> everyone else thinks you\'re an asshole\" says \"My
> karma ran over your dogma.\"
Richie, I think I mentioned that it comes in all forms of currency, understood in the broadest sense, and the timing is totally unpredictable. It\'s not mysticism, it\'s science. For every action there\'s a reaction. So, yes, you\'re correct, it can be complicated.
RichieBee
Perhaps u are too nice of a guy to understand what a POS Zayat is? He has the money NOW to pay off what he owes many times over, yet chooses not to, because of the kind of guy he is. Winning the triple crown and getting more money isn\'t going to make him MOrE likely to pay off what he owes.
For what it is worth, I have accounts at two large offshore places and know the management at both VERY well, and he owes one of them a large sum and the other guy says it is common knowledge on that circuit, in fact his name is on published blacklists that the books share that detail the players that have defrauded. (Most don\'t credit like Zayat, but have defrauded through opening up queries on credit card charges that they authorized but then claim they didn\'t know. Zayat is a whole different level...
Reallocate some anger currently allocated to your wife and direct it at this guy. The fact that previous triple crown players have had similar shady backgrounds doesn\'t make it right that this guy is as P-Dub said, a POS.
Rob
Rob,
We\'ve become too civilized; here in lies the problem. A mere 25 years ago or so all gambling at that level was controlled by one group. They had few issues with getting paid and due to their collection methods not too many \"sharp guys\" took shots saying I\'ll just stiff em if I lose!
Topcat and Rick B. I\'m sure will vouge for the old Chicago outfits creed.
First F\' up baseball bat 2nd one gets the gun.
The off shore world has sorted itself out to an extent but in it\'s infancy there were more than a few wanna be investors who jumped into the gambling business never thinking that end can lose just as easily? Many a player got stiffed big time as the lights got put out on the wanna be bookmakers Especially on horses.
Can you imagine Bugsy Siegel filing suit against a player for stiffing Meyer Lansky and losing his commission.
To simpler times for sure,
Frank D.
Frank,
Still lots of stiffs around.Several bm\'s I know for years lament at trying to collect from stiffs. From wives calling up threatening to call the law to \"I aint got it\", things have dramatically changed for the local bm\'s.
Old days, you paid or else, not the same today.
How\'s the weather looking for Sat, hearing rain all week down here?
Mike
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> Can you imagine Bugsy Siegel filing suit against a
> player for stiffing Meyer Lansky and losing his
> commission.
>
Moe Greene: You think I\'m skimming off the top, Mike?
Michael: You\'re unlucky.
Mike,
I never put much faith in any forecast more than 48 hours out and laughed at Joe B. for calling for rain 8 days out, we\'ll see he may be correct there is a lot of that stuff this week?
Looks like Laura is Insisting we go!!!! OMG after 26 years of marriage I thought I was all done with those edicts! So I\'m hoping for dry skies.
Frank,
Here on dreary Staten Island it looks bad for the local forecast all week, only 30+ min or so from Belmont.
Hope your trip good and weather ok. If Belmont goes indoors because of weather, it\'s a disaster.
Mike
Quite a string. My one contribution will be that public contrary claims notwithstanding, I know for a fact the misspelling of the horse\'s name came from the owners, not the Jockey Club.
Loved the narrative. There\'s an old story about throwing a frog in boiling water, he will jump out without getting burned. Put same frog in tepid water and slowly bring to boil and he\'ll cook before knowing to jump. Life\'s \"heat\" is insidious,especially in this game. Zayat is at full boil. Refreshing to read that you are \"uncooked\". Keep \'em coming.
TGJB Wrote:
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> Quite a string. My one contribution will be that
> public contrary claims notwithstanding, I know for
> a fact the misspelling of the horse\'s name came
> from the owners, not the Jockey Club.
Indeed! Name filed online. No data entry by the JC. I cut that out because it seems those lies came from the kid, not AZ. What\'s that they say about the apple and the tree?
magicnight Wrote:
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> TGJB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Quite a string. My one contribution will be
> that
> > public contrary claims notwithstanding, I know
> for
> > a fact the misspelling of the horse\'s name came
> > from the owners, not the Jockey Club.
>
> Indeed! Name filed online. No data entry by the
> JC. I cut that out because it seems those lies
> came from the kid, not AZ. What\'s that they say
> about the apple and the tree?
I have no idea whose fault the misspelling is and I am not sympathetic to the Zayats. They could have easily corrected the JC\'s error but did not. HOWEVER, I need to point out that the Jockey Club electronic system is not infallible. I know of a case with three foals being registered by a breeder at one time and on the three certificates the breeder\'s name came out three different ways. I am fairly certain that names can be changed (or corrected) any time up until the horse has a reported work out, so the Zayats should not get an easy pass here (even if they could not have changed it up to that point, I am reasonable certain they could have corrected it right away once the Jockey Club sent them the incorrect confirmation).
Why all the ink about there being a s--mbag in the game, been that way forever,must be the Triple Crown thing. Gonna be a little interesting how NBC covers the \"Zayat\" story on National TV Sat.
Hey Rob:
Have enjoyed your input and hope you don\'t turn out to be a TG \"tourist\" ie
someone who posts only during Triple Crown and Breeders Cup.
My final words (promise) on Zayat -- no matter how large a POS Zayat may be, it
does not affect my enjoyment of or participation in racing. Borrowing money to
bet on races (or to participate in any activity which involves speculation) is
a notion very foreign to me. If Zayat\'s questionable behavior somehow
threatens the well being of one of the \"large offshore places\" you wager with,
well then maybe I understand your concern.
I still have friends and connections on the backstretch and have known well
this man\'s reputation long before it was discussed here. I even called him
\"Nopayat\" in a pre - Derby post, much to the mirth of M. Beychok
I figured I owed you a response but these are my last words on Zayat.
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> Gonna be a little interesting how NBC covers the \"Zayat\" story on National TV Sat.
Given that they will not go near the realities discussed here, seems like a good time to trot out Brian Williams for his comeback
SoCal-- note usage. \"I know for a fact\".
One of the best bumper stickers I\'ve ever seen was from a redneck in Houston driving a pickup with a gun rack who had this one - \"My kid beat up your honor student\"
SoCalMan2 Wrote:
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> magicnight Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TGJB Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Quite a string. My one contribution will be
> > that
> > > public contrary claims notwithstanding, I
> know
> > for
> > > a fact the misspelling of the horse\'s name
> came
> > > from the owners, not the Jockey Club.
> >
> > Indeed! Name filed online. No data entry by the
> > JC. I cut that out because it seems those lies
> > came from the kid, not AZ. What\'s that they say
> > about the apple and the tree?
>
> I have no idea whose fault the misspelling is and
> I am not sympathetic to the Zayats. They could
> have easily corrected the JC\'s error but did not.
> HOWEVER, I need to point out that the Jockey Club
> electronic system is not infallible. I know of a
> case with three foals being registered by a
> breeder at one time and on the three certificates
> the breeder\'s name came out three different ways.
> I am fairly certain that names can be changed (or
> corrected) any time up until the horse has a
> reported work out, so the Zayats should not get an
> easy pass here (even if they could not have
> changed it up to that point, I am reasonable
> certain they could have corrected it right away
> once the Jockey Club sent them the incorrect
> confirmation).
The JC actually issued a press release stating that the spelling came from the owner. They were obviously a little peeved at Justin Zayat blaming them. In addition, as noted, they had plenty of time before his recorded first breeze to correct it. Logic tells us that they didn\'t know how to spell the word which is how they both submitted it misspelled and then didn\'t notice it was misspelled until it was pointed out to them (and too late).
In the good old days , everything was done by hand. You\'d think they run everything by a computerized spell checker, but there are so many deliberately odd spellings submitted, that they may become numb to it.
that\'s great writing. Thanks for sharing. Loved the last sentence.
had no idea he was a shmuck. thought he was a \"rags to riches\" story (apologies to Rags to Riches)
Joe Drape:
\"New York lawyers has filed a $10 million dollar libel suit against Ahmed Zayat in federal court, saying n New Jersey. Story coming\"
....bad karma for AP?
I don\'t think the Karma will bother the horse much. It\'s those 11th and 12th furlongs I wonder about.
This libel suit - I\'d think - comes straight out of that Observer story you posted here, Mike. Not a lawyer but things you say to a reporter that subsequently become public would be libel, yes? Zayat couldn\'t keep his mouth shut and now he has this extra lawsuit to help tide him through this week.
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> Looks like Laura is Insisting we go!!!! OMG after
> 26 years of marriage I thought I was all done with
> those edicts! So I\'m hoping for dry skies.
\"meet the new boss, same as the old boss\"?
Yeah Frank we all feel sorry for you, having a significant other who begs you
to go to the races.
Accuweather Update -- Light rain right this moment in Midtown Manhattan; total
precip for yesterday (Central Park): 0.64 inches. Accuweather forecast -- rain
tapering off Tuesday.
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday partly cloudy, cool, no significant additional
precip.
Looking for fast and good on Friday. Also looking for Friday TGs. Today guys?
I\'ve been watching the weather closely.....seems like one of those patterns that could go either way, right up to the day.
Speaking of Friday, if anyone is thinking of going and doesn\'t have tickets, you can buy clubhouse seats for 7/per on stubhub (includes GA) vs paying $15 at the gate for admission only.