Because of my work schedule and the prudence that comes with age, I can
honestly say that other than looking at entries and results, I never play
weekday cards at NYRA.
Thanks to NYRA\'s \"Big Day\" philosophy, it seems that this weekend I get to see
what I am missing.
I never had a problem with NYRA moving the Met Mile to Belmont weekend.
I wonder, however, if NYRA was wise to run seven graded stakes the first two
weekends of the meet (and a total of 15 on the Friday and Saturday of the
Belmont Stakes) if the result was to have a Memorial Day weekend which
features NO graded stakes and a Sunday card with no stake race of any kind.
Far be it from me to criticize NYRA.
Speaking of the Met Mile, one of the probable entrants is Private Zone. I have
been watching racing for a long time, and this is one of the most talented
sprinters I have had the pleasure to watch and wager on ... an outstanding
gate horse (an unfortunate bad break in last years BC Sprint), very determined
once on the lead, effective between six furlongs and a flat mile ... and 2/2 at Belmont.
A special tip of my cap to Smalltimer and other T-generates who served in the
armed forces...
Thanks richiebee.
Consider this thought:
The Chief experience officer in an effort to earn her 300K salary came up with a plan to limit attendance. In an effort to quell the mass exodus after the Belmont Stakes the Goo Goo Dolls will play after the last race. I get it that some younger Dolls fans will show up 10 minutes before the Belmont to possibly witness history and hang out to see their band for $15 bucks. I\'ll give her 5000 that will hang out putting a very minor dent in the dash to the parking lots and LIRR platform.
Has anyone even considered that you could get a flow of fans coming into the park after the Belmont to waltz in for free admission to see Richiebee\'s favorite band?
I\'ve been to over 20 Belmont Stakes and was live in person at last years fiasco!
I have seats this year and Laura is sure this is the year for a Triple Crown!
All my instincts tell me to sell my $75 seats on stub hub for $ 500 each but she is driving me crazy to go.
I can imagine a cluster you know what of epic proportion as 80,000 head out and a few thousand try to get in the parking lot, off the train or bus trying to get in
for a freebie concert as the Dunkin Donut patrol sits by collecting overtime.
A good thing they didn\'t book a really popular band!
Frank D.
Laura the wiser half of the entry, take the thousand and parlay it from upstate!
Michael,
The next time I bet a deli to win a pickle you will become the chief experience officer of political correctness!!!!
Frank:
I will be there the Friday before. Are you and Laura going the day of the race?
I really haven\'t had a favorite band since Duane Allman died...
I have thought about it a lot and if you are not going to take a bus down to
Belmont, then best plan (based on last years fiasco, which the crash dummies in
charge at NYRA have probably done nothing to improve) would be to take AMTRAK to
Penn Station, LIRR to Belmont, but at the end of the day walk 2 or so miles to
the nearest subway station and take the subway back to Manhattan.
Private Zone a gutsy horse.
One of the rare horses that regularly comes back again when passed. For that reason when you are for or against this horse, you really have to wait till the wire to know if he is beaten or going to re-attack.
That said, if all show, he will need to be all of that in the Met Mile. Tonalist ran huge, albeit in a small field, in his prep. Bayern will certainly run better. Palace Malice figures better off the prep and it seems that Pletcher is giving serious thought to running his talented 3 year old here, which if he does, will be quite a bullish sign. (retro back to Holy Bull, Gulch and Honour ang Glory.
Rob
Frank,
Does that mean you are on AP? 0 2 pattern and all!!
Mike
Sorry to disappoint ya Mikey!
Freaks don\'t X, I drink lots of Kool Aide but do not get drunk!
I took a very minor position against him in the Preakness once the skies opened up. I hardly think he\'s a lock for a TC and can see merit in Materiality and Carpe Diem. This years Belmont for me will merely be the final leg of a pick 4 at least using the above mentioned if not more.
It has been a very strange TC season to say the least; a few over the top into the Derby, the draw killed a few more, a monsoon for the Preakness along with extreme wind for the 2 major Gulf preps.
A strong generation by the numbers that has done very little SO FAR overall. It will be a very interesting summer and fall.
Frank D.
Richie,
Not sure about travel plans yet? Considering coming down on Friday or driving early Saturday morning with a DD for a pilot and just tailgating a bit after.
Waiting on Belmont Bob\'s advice?
American Pharoah Owner Accused of Being a Welcher, Perjurer, Resume Padder
Amid lawsuit, more gambling industry figures lob accusations at Ahmed Zayat
By Ken Kurson
Observer
It won't come as a revelation that the owner of the horse that might notch a rare Triple Crown next month enjoys placing a wager or two. But perhaps more surprising is the growing list of people from the gambling industry who accuse Ahmed Zayat of welching on debts.
Last week, a Florida man named Howard Rubinsky—who himself has been convicted of gambling related felonies—sued Mr. Zayat, saying that in the early aughts, he arranged credit for Mr. Zayat of almost $2 million in offshore casinos and that Mr. Zayat left him holding the bag. Mr. Zayat completely denies the charges, both on the facts (there appears to be no written evidence that he ever owed Mr. Rubinsky) and also points to the 6-year statute of limitations having long passed on the debt.
It is worth noting that the suit suddenly appeared just after American Pharoah had won the Kentucky Derby and Preakness and will try for the first Triple Crown in 37 years at the Belmont Stakes next month. In an interview with the Observer, Mr. Zayat pointed to the timing of the lawsuit as an effort by a dubious felon to capitalize on the sudden high profile of a longtime breeder.
American Pharoah owns the field during the 141st running of the Kentucky Derby at Churchill Downs on May 2, 2015 in Louisville, Kentucky. (Getty)
American Pharoah owns the field during the 141st running of the Kentucky Derby at Churchill Downs on May 2, 2015 in Louisville, Kentucky. (Getty)
"These (accusations) are fraud. I'm a victim of it. Anybody who has half a brain can read through it and say there's no way somebody of my caliber would owe somebody money from 2003, 12 years almost ago." He completely denies placing any bets of any kind through Mr. Rubinsky, telling the Observer, "He's talking about me betting overseas in Costa Rica. I've never in my life been in Costa Rica. A casino line of credit, like it's a fiction. I haven't even been in the business. In other words, I started Zayat Stables in 2006 or 2005. He's talking 2003. I was in Egypt, as CEO of a beverages company. I was working 18 days a day. It's an insanity. Nothing adds up."
The Observer has now spoken to two additional gambling industry figures who accuse Mr. Zayat of fiscal treachery, and their assessment is buttressed by documents about the owner of the sensitive and crowd-shy brown-eyed beauty whose misspelled name has helped win him a place in America's heart.
Angus Hamilton loves to be called "The Gambling Globetrotter," and comes by the nickname with some justification, having co-founded the Sporting Index, which specializes in spread betting and dominates the market in the UK. He currently appears as a correspondent on a New Zealand radio broadcast.
According to Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Rubinsky was "the middle man between Mr. Zayat and the various places where he placed wages and they were all offshore. Now some of this is documented, the problems he had in New Jersey, but the other stuff, the other activities or transactions or bets were placed with offshore books. ... Zayat is the player. He is the wagerer. He is the punter," he continued, using British slang for bettor. "Howie would find places for Mr. Zayat to wager. So for example he bet with a company called Pinnacle Sports, who at that time were the biggest company in the U.S. offshore gaming industry. ... Now Mr. Zayat has obviously always enjoyed a flutter and basically ended up playing with several of these offshore sports books, and it's well known in the industry that he still owes quite a few sports books quite a bit of money, including the one that appeared in the editorials or in the articles of Trade Winds and Costa Rica. But it's well known and because I was involved in the industry, or I am involved in the industry that he still owes quite a bit of money around the place."
Ahmed Zayat at Churchill Downs on May 1, 2012. His horse Bodemeister finished second in that year\'s Kentucky Derby and Preakness Stakes. (Michael Heiman/Getty Images)
Ahmed Zayat at Churchill Downs on May 1, 2012. His horse Bodemeister finished second in that year's Kentucky Derby and Preakness Stakes. (Michael Heiman/Getty Images)
Mr. Hamilton seems to be taking this more personally than just someone looking on from the sidelines. He even took the time to establish a Zayat-bashing website. Asked why he cares enough to go to the trouble, Mr. Hamilton characterizes his interest as that of an industry watchdog. "[Zayat] doesn't owe me any money. I'm not coming from an angle... I was slightly surprised to see the website in his name was available and I thought to myself this is quite interesting, because at some stage in one's life you've got to take a stand. In a way it's a moral stand. I think you're going to be looking at figures with several million dollars."
Chris Costigan is the Founder of Gambling911.com, which is the closest thing the player side of the betting business has to a reliable trade publication (as opposed to the gaming business, which has plenty of legitimate coverage, including analysts at the major banks). Like Mr. Zayat, Mr. Costigan is a Jersey guy, though he is now living in Miami Beach. He told the Observer, "I'm hearing from more than one person that this guy Zayat owes a lot of debts. I've been dealing with these guys since '97 and I know them really well, and they don't talk to a lot of people so they are pretty much telling me, 'Look, Chris, this guy owes us a lot of money.\'" Mr. Costigan was under the impression that Mr. Zayat had been betting not just on horses but on sports. "I want to say sports but don't hold me to it. I'm not 100% sure."
Mr. Zayat denies that, telling the Observer, "I have never in my life bet on sports. I only bet on horses. I take that back, I once bet on the Super Bowl." As for the case Mr. Rubinsky has brought, Mr. Zayat is unequivocal. "We asked for a summary judgment. It's meritless, to be thrown out. It's garbage. It's rubbish. I can't tell people what not to write, but anybody with half a brain can see through this. There's not a single – single – single, anything of evidence in this. There is no contract. No conversation. No proof. It's an absolute fiction."
Meanwhile, other signs of incomplete honesty have cropped up regarding Mr. Zayat. The Bergen Record reported in 2013 that Zayat Stables removed mention of Mr. Zayat having attended Harvard Business School from its website after inquiries from the paper. An MBA from Harvard was also cited by many publications plus the National Thoroughbred Racing Association and the annual report for Mr. Zayat's beverage company, the government-owned beer company, Al Ahram Beverages Co., Mr. Zayat's company took private in a big Middle East success story.
A lawyer for Mr. Zayat, Joseph Zann, told the Record, "Unfortunately, early in his career there was misinformation reported about Mr. Zayat's education ... These erroneous reports were not corrected and were repeated by other outlets." According to the Record, "Harvard's business school told The Record this week that it has no record of Zayat's attending the school."
But even after the removal of the Harvard reference from his website and the lawyer's attribution of the puffery to "an outside consultant," Mr. Zayat himself could not resist dropping the Crimson name. In May 2014, a year after removing the Harvard reference from his own website, Mr. Zayat gave a sworn deposition in conjunction with the lawsuit. Here's a telling chunk:
Q: Did you attend a college or university of higher education, in other words, something beyond high school?
A: Yes.
Q: Where did you attend?
A: Yeshiva University, Harvard University and Boston University.
Oddly enough, this reporter has some personal experience with Mr. Zayat that revealed a very charming but perhaps less-than-forthright counterparty.
In 2007, I was working on Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign. Tasked with finding hosts for fundraisers in New Jersey, I was introduced to Mr. Zayat, who was happy to volunteer. We chatted several times and I remember remarking on how unusual it was to encounter an Orthodox Jew who was also an Egyptian named Ahmed. Mr. Zayat laughed and told me that it helped him in his beverage business. I cannot recall the precise quote but it was something to the effect of, "When I deal with Jewish customers, I'm Amos from Englewood; when I deal with Arab customers, I'm Ahmed from Egypt."
Screen Shot 2015-05-23 at 8.07.47 AMI took it as the funny and innocuous reply of a born salesman, but several weeks later the fundraiser was suddenly canceled when the campaign's strict vetting committee wouldn't clear the host for reasons that are lost to history. Jeff Berkowitz, who headed the research team that disqualified Mr. Zayat, could not recall the precise reasons it was determined that the mayor's campaign could be hurt by the association and neither can I.
In a footnote to that story, with just a few weeks before the planned event and thousands of dollars already in hand, I scrambled to find an alternative host. A friend and Rudy supporter named Mark Gerson introduced me to a rabbi and television personality named Shmuley Boteach, who winded up hosting the packed event at his Englewood home and raising more than $100,000. Rabbi Shmuley is now a columnist at the Observer.
Mr. Rubinsky blasted Mr. Zayat for his many alleged crimes and misdemeanors. In a sprawling statement shared with the Observer, he said, "I live in a world where a man's word is his bond, and the truth matters. I pled guilty to being involved in illegal gambling 7 years ago, yet I am held responsible for the 7-figure gambling debt incurred by Ahmed Zayat. Ahmed Zayat is a liar, his past and current history indicates he has no moral compass when it comes to telling the truth or taking responsibility for his actions, all the while scapegoating others. Ahmed Zayat has lied about having a Harvard degree, bounced checks to the State of New Jersey after blaming them for his gambling debt, blamed a bank he owed millions of dollars to for supposedly misleading him – and he even blamed the jockey club for the misspelling of his prize horse, American Pharoah."
For his part, the man who brought the gorgeous American Thoroughbred into the popular consciousness fired back with equal ferociousness, categorically denying the charges and indicating that there are bigger forces behind the convicted felon who is now accusing him. "It's an absolute fiction. It's a scam from A to Z. It's a total absolute scam and I respect you by the way. I like you, but you don't know this, this is part of a bigger thing. I won't tell you more than that, but I am ready here to lash big-time because this is part of an orchestrated defamation of character of mine that ... It's going to be a big big story coming out. This is an orchestrated effort. There is something behind it. I can't tell you more than that. I can comment to you that this is an absolute sad despicable act of desperate people."
The Belmont Stakes on June 6 represents an opportunity for American Pharoah to become the first triple crown winner since Affirmed accomplished the feat in 1978. But with accusations of resume padding, bad debts, and even poor spelling, the sport of kings is starting to look a tad less royal.
Richie
Will follow up with a longer reply tomorrow with MANY specifics regarding NYRA\'s TOTAL mongolian cluster f@#& regarding Belmont Day (seats, parking, \'crowd control\', etc..).. I\'ll also be there both days (Pal of Mine function on Friday, grandstand seats/backyard Sat)..hopefully we can meet..
John
Freaks do X. See Aurora.
I believe it was the Test Stakes. My guess is 1995.
Hi Frank;
I take Amtrak a lot between Penn and Rhinecliff and, relative to the general state of passenger railways in the US, it\'s a pretty good and reliable line. Besides the nice views from riding along the Hudson, this line is also generally free of curves. A 7:15 out of Albany gets you to Penn at 9:45 and a 9:15 return train (you will have to miss the Goo Goos and may also need a little bit of LIRR luck) gets you back to Albany by 11:45. Two seats is $168. Not sure what the coach costs but I would take my chances with the trains every time. Keep in mind there were 110,000 last year and \"only\" 35,000 came by the LIRR.
Also, the LIRR did add new platforms at Belmont, which should help. Also, they are supposedly planning on staging trains more effectively than last year so maybe you get a double improvement there.
Last year I checked and saw that the Queens Village stop on the LIRR was closer than any subway stop. When the platforms were still a mess after the last race I walked to the QV stop in about 20 minutes and was back at Penn by 9:00. That said, I\'m not sure the Queens Village alternate will be available this year due to the \"staging\" noted above. Still, I think with the 90K cap, the LIRR\'s improvements, the memories of last year\'s disaster, and the fact that the Cross Island figures to remain terrible - the train situation figures to get the \"most improved\" award this year.
Betting the WiFi will also be better, but not making any rosy predictions for bathrooms, beer & water supplies and lines for food. Still planning on a big breakfast and saving my celebratory cocktails for when I get back to my apartment. And if anyone wants a single seat in row A of the 2nd deck between the 1/16th and 1/8th poles for $500 I would have to be an idiot not to at least consider it.
Bob,
We used to do the Amtrak trek back in the 70\'s and 80\'s all the time into Grand Central with about 20 guys walking to Penn Station with stops at McAnn\'s, McCoy\'s and a couple of other hot spots along the way!
I remember 80,000 plus crowds for Affirmed, Bid, Pleasant Colony and being jammed in like sardines on LIRR coming back to Penn Station. I was a lot younger and much more tolerant back then, no thanks on the train although if not treated like cattle it is without a doubt the way to go.
Good luck,
Frank D.
Interesting, and ironic that Louis Wolfson, master of Harbor View Farm, owner of
the last Triple Crown winner, also had some legal problems ie some SEC violations
which resulted in a short stint in Federal prison.
As to the original Joe Drape article documenting Zayat\'s problems, this further
proves to me that the most qualified racing writer employed by the Times is
affiliated with the Circulation department
FrankD. Wrote:
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> Bob,
>
> We used to do the Amtrak trek back in the 70\'s and
> 80\'s all the time into Grand Central with about 20
> guys walking to Penn Station with stops at
> McAnn\'s, McCoy\'s and a couple of other hot spots
> along the way!
What, you skipped Blarney Stone?
Whether you agree with him or not, his last line explains why horse racing has faded and only succeeds with the mainstream fans on the big event days such as the Belmont.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12943179
FrankD. Wrote:
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I was a lot
> younger and much more tolerant back then, no
> thanks on the train although if not treated like
> cattle it is without a doubt the way to go.
You nailed the one drawback, Frank. The Amtrak part of it is not too bad but the LIRR stretch is preferable to an abattoir only because it eventually provides a somewhat happier ending. I\'ve probably lived in NYC too long and have become inured to being treated like cattle.
Good luck too!
Bob
Amtrak from Albany to Penn Station is the way I\'m going, same schedule you mentioned. Cheapest seat is $42 each way, I got the AAA discount down to $37.80 for a round trip of $75.60. I saw some reviews of the LIRR from prior Belmonts & decided against that. My main concern is making the 9:15 PM train. I was looking at alternative trains to NYC and any delays on long lines would end in me missing my train home. I\'m also getting too old to stand the whole way back on a LIRR train. I ended up paying more for the comfort and I\'m taking the Rally Bus from Manhattan to Belmont for $55. Total transportation $130, about $20 more than driving & avoiding all aggravation. The original ETA for the Bus back to NYC was 8:20 PM, giving me about 50 minutes extra for traffic. Since they moved the Belmont about 15 minutes later, I still have over a half hour delay factored in to make the train. If I miss it, I\'ll catch the 11:35 train home, but I don\'t want to wait that long so I\'m taking a shot the bus can get to Manhattan in less than an hour & a half.
It\'s amazing what you guys have to do, just to get to the track.
Yeah, but when Saratoga comes, we\'ve got it made. Sleep in late, hop in the car up the Northway and we\'re there.
I remember when I lived in LI in the 70s & 80s how easy Belmont day was. All I had to do was drive there & it was like another day at the track. The only difference was it was tougher getting my normal parking spot. Also nice thing was after the race I could stop in at my parent\'s house 7 miles from the track & get a free dinner.
magicnight Wrote:
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And
> if anyone wants a single seat in row A of the 2nd
> deck between the 1/16th and 1/8th poles for $500 I
> would have to be an idiot not to at least consider
> it.
Sorry, Bob, but you\'ll have to give me a $1000 to take it off your hands.
Last night, my wife and I were complaining that it takes us about 18 minutes to drive 10 minutes into the downtown area of a metropolitan area of slightly over a million people. You live in the greatest city in the world, but I couldn\'t possibly drink enough coffee to sustain a day-to-day life of more than three days.
Frank,
This will be Belmont #45 for me. Canonero was the first and I haven\'t missed since then.
This year, I am travelling with a foursome. (I\'m sure your twosome would out drink, out bet and out handicap my pals) :):)
Accountant Ed is in charge of itinerary so not sure where we are sitting other than the Grandstand upper level. Accountant wanted to save $20 per/ticket :).
Ed handicaps out loud, bets only on NYRA tracks and can provide a Durkinesque race call for every race he has seen --calls races from 25 years ago! (not kidding)
Chauffeur Jamie is a 14 franchise restaurant GM and provides refreshments. He is a \'player\' ....fearless...a great loser and gracious winner.
Client Bill is our third travelling companion who only takes Sunday off from the racetrack. Bill bets like he is on SS and fixed income which is the case.
And then myself- the Chief Investment Officer of the group who seeks order out of chaos and specializes in Bad Beats.
Departing Mohegan Pocono 7:30 am with ETA 10:15 depending on the Cross Bronx etc.
Last year, I was just about the only person with phone service in our section and only had trouble getting my 4 souvenir glass allotment. We also somehow escaped the post race card traffic as we hit the Cross Island North without a hitch.
Think you may have it but my cell is 570-417-6564.
BTW, my youngest daughter decided on Rensselaer so I should be a more frequent visitor to the region.
Bob
Bob,
RPI congrats and you had better start investing wisely at 50K plus a year!
Shirley Ann Jackson was America\'s highest paid university president, not sure if that is still true but she\'s in the 2 mil a year neighborhood. I had a small piece of her million dollar plus re-hab on her university provided home a few years back.
I\'ll give you a call and hopefully reception is a bit better at the track this year.
Take care,
Frank D.
If you drive, do one of two things when you leave. If you can park on the backstretch, go out the back gate and go left on plainfield ave. It will take you up to exit 28 of the cross island and miss the bottleneck.
If you are in track parking, when you exit onto Hempstead Ave, the police will make you go to the right so you can\'t go left to Plainfield. But, instead of trying to get on the Cross Island at that part, go straight on Hempstead. It will end so make a left on Jamaica then make a right on the sign for route 24. That will take you to the Clearview Expressway (I295) which will take you to the Grand Central, the LIE and then the Throgs Neck Bridge.
If you are taking the LIRR into Belmont, I do have one sure thing for the day.
I was there for the Big Brown fiasco and avoided the chaos on the platform by taking a right down Hempstead Ave. (cab will be quickest), passing over the Cross Island Parkway then 6 blocks down, a right onto Springfield . That will take you after 5 blocks to the Queen\'s Village train depot. We waited about 15 minutes and an almost empty train pulled up! The next day we learned of the horror stories of those stuck for hours and to add insult to injury they had turned off the water/bathrooms mid-day that year due to to record heat.
The map in case anyone needs it:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7122258,-73.7285254,16z
But stop at King Umbertos first on Hempstead. Take it from an Italian-- this place has great food.
Good Luck,
Joe B
richiebee Wrote:
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> Frank:
>
> I will be there the Friday before. Are you and
> Laura going the day of the race?
>
> I really haven\'t had a favorite band since Duane
> Allman died...
>
> I have thought about it a lot and if you are not
> going to take a bus down to
> Belmont, then best plan (based on last years
> fiasco, which the crash dummies in
> charge at NYRA have probably done nothing to
> improve) would be to take AMTRAK to
> Penn Station, LIRR to Belmont, but at the end of
> the day walk 2 or so miles to
> the nearest subway station and take the subway
> back to Manhattan.
For the audience\'s edification . . . what, pray tell, IS the nearest subway station?
The nearest subway stop to Belmont is the \"F\" train stop at Hillside Ave and 179th
Street.
According to Mapquest this station is about 1.5 miles from Belmont.
Of special interest to Frank D, plenty of opportunities to stop for oxtail and
curry goat on this walk.
Richie,
Throw in a couple Red Stripes along the way and it could get interesting. Maybe Laura can speak Rasta MAAAN!
I used to live on the track at Belmont in the late 80\'s and walked over that way for the good eats, went with a Jamaican groom so never got a second look. We were stabled in the open air stakes barn near the track. My first year (1998) Risen Star shipped in and rumors about health were widespread. They were put to rest the day prior when he blew out 33 3/5 and we saw him come back good. He had not been going to the track for several days and wondered what Louisiana voodoo kept him together. He ran the 2nd fastest Belmont to that point disposing of Winning Colors:
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/12/sports/risen-star-runs-away-with-the-belmont.html
The next year I watched Easy Goer pass by everyday on the way to the track en route to the 2nd fastest Belmont surpassing Risen Star\'s time. A crowd of just under 65,000 were on hand to witness Sunday Silence\'s Triple Crown attempt.
Fast forward to 2008, my next in person Belmont and the winner Da\'Tara, a big let down from the 2nd and 3rd fastest Belmont\'s on record. Horses are certainly more brilliant than before but not at this distance. No one has run a negative number since 2007, Rags to Riches and Curlin. Anywhere from a TG 0 to 2 has been the norm. AP can X again as he did in the Preakness and prevail. Only an XX gets him out of the exacta and XXX out the super.
Paging Mr. Covello...........
AP X\'d in the Preakness?.......tough crowd here!
Mike,
Let\'s re phrase that for Rob that he didn\'t pair his top. He did not X, liberal use of the term for sure.
Toughest room to work in the business for sure this board!
One could also say that a heavy ground loss Derby figure along with a monsoon stand alone race for the Preakness could be considered a pair or close to it in some camps?
Frank,
There is some interesting stuff out there fwiw re AP\'s Preakness.
1. AP\'s pace adjusted fig came to TG -2.75
2. AP weighed out at app 133(7 lbs more than he saddled before race)
3. AP ran the fastest first quarter and 2nd fastest half in Preakness history after adjusting for track speed.
Could view the race as faster than given and make him coming off a pair too fast to win the Belmont, esp for those who don\'t like him.
From all watching the top contenders, AP working as well or better.Can watch AP work at CD at 8:30 this am, supposed to be 4f, shortest work for a Baffert potential TC possible.
Mike
Mike Welsch:
American Pharoah couldn\'t have looked better or gone easier watching his work on live feed this a.m., strong gallop out, a perfect morning
Clocker;
Pharoah from the 4 1/2 and past the wire in 100.4, 113.4 and 126.6. See how he comes out of this but seems like tons more in tank
Mike,
Good stuff, I had an inkling that the \"speed boys\" would see the Preakness closer to the Derby figure.
Thanks for the correction, off is the correct term. But agree the internals etc point more to a pair up and would have him not ever going backward yet.
Buffers shows 38% X if off a top by 1 to 4 points, that\'s why the Preakness fig which was tough to come up with makes the pattern read tougher. The main argument against either way would be 3 negative numbers in a row and 4 races in 8 weeks.