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Title: Cheats!
Post by: miff on May 06, 2015, 12:52:38 PM
Former trainer:

\"The hardest thing I ever did was walk away from what I loved to do, but when you work hard seven days a week and do everything right and then have to race against these chemist trainers and can\'t beat them it rips your heart out. Then, if you claim a horse off of them the horses go backwards from the drugs they are on.  It's terrible, when they are caught, someone else goes down as a trainer.  It's a joke as they are one step ahead of all the state testing labs\"
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: TGJB on May 06, 2015, 12:59:21 PM
Until they start freezing and retesting samples on a large scale they don\'t mean business.
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: miff on May 06, 2015, 01:06:19 PM
Yo, money,money,money. Nobody wants to pay for advanced testing. On bended knee Dr. Mary, Maylin, Arthur et al put up a good case for more testing $, answer NO!

Certain jackoffs suggesting gamblers should pay for advanced testing..right Rick?
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: Strike on May 06, 2015, 01:06:22 PM
I saw the subject title and thought you were referring to the Patriot\'s report that was just released. (I know this is a racing board but we also love sports).
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: eljayar52 on May 06, 2015, 01:19:46 PM
I simply pass on a race with juicers in. Here in NY the most laughable scenario is a five horse field with RR DJ and MN in it. All off the claim. LOL
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: HP on May 06, 2015, 01:38:31 PM
This is amazing.  

In the weeks and months before the AFC Championship Game, McNally periodically exchanged text messages with the Patriots equipment assistant primarily responsible for the preparation of the Patriots game balls, John Jastremski. In a number of those text messages, McNally and Jastremski discussed the air pressure of Patriots game balls, Tom Brady\'s unhappiness with the inflation level of Patriots game balls, Jastremski\'s plan to provide McNally with a "needle" for use by McNally, and McNally\'s requests for "cash" and sneakers together with the "needle" to be provided by Jastremski. A sports ball inflation needle is a device that can be used to inflate a football (if attached to an air pump) or release air from a football (if inserted alone into a ball).\"
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: jbelfior on May 06, 2015, 01:41:02 PM
Avoid them ---bet grass races which are all about late speed. These guys you mention couldn\'t train a horse to take a dump on grass.

Good Luck,
Joe B
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: sekrah on May 06, 2015, 01:41:57 PM
Wtf? You can buy a needle at Walmart or Dick\'s.
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: sekrah on May 06, 2015, 01:42:23 PM
jbelfior Wrote:
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> Avoid them ---bet grass races which are all about
> late speed. These guys you mention couldn\'t train
> a horse to take a dump on grass.
>
> Good Luck,
> Joe B


I laughed.
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: HP on May 06, 2015, 01:54:20 PM
But when you buy a needle at Dick\'s it doesn\'t come with CASH to pay you to use it to deflate footballs.
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: eljayar52 on May 06, 2015, 02:12:12 PM
Can\'t wait till the NYRA Pigskins n Ponies contests in September.
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: miff on May 09, 2015, 01:17:29 PM
Kirk Ziadie just won his 13th race from his last 16 starters. Has to be a record.
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: FrankD. on May 09, 2015, 01:20:59 PM
No whats his name in 97 or 98 at Gulf won 16 or 17 in a row, he was putting cayenne pepper on their testicles; Frank some Spanish name can\'t recall it.
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: TGAB on May 09, 2015, 01:26:14 PM
Frank ?????
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: FrankD. on May 09, 2015, 01:28:39 PM
I can\'t recall it Alan and am having no luck searching for it.
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: miff on May 09, 2015, 01:30:54 PM
Passero, an Italian, what elae
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: FrankD. on May 09, 2015, 01:31:36 PM
Was it Passero?
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: TGAB on May 09, 2015, 01:32:26 PM
Frank Passero Jr.
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: TGJB on May 09, 2015, 01:32:41 PM
Pat Byrne, 15 in a row at CD the year he had Allday (and both 2yo champs), 97. We broke the string with a horse called Connecting Terms.
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: FrankD. on May 09, 2015, 01:33:47 PM
rainer Allegedly Ordered Pepper Rub Put On Horses
March 17, 1996|By DAVE JOSEPH Staff Writer
HALLANDALE - — Calling it \"a ruthless act ... an unconscionable and despicable act of animal cruelty,\" the Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering served trainer Frank Passero with an administrative complaint Saturday for allegedly ordering a groom to rub a substance containing cayenne pepper around his horses\' rectums and genitals to make them run faster at Gulfstream Park.

Passero, who this year won a record 14 consecutive races at Gulfstream and has never had one of his horses come back with a positive test result for an illegal substance, denied using pepper improperly.

\"That\'s an outright lie,\" he said.

Passero said he has used the substance, which he called a muscle rub, on horses\' legs.

\"The muscle rub they\'re accusing me of using here is no different than Whitey Ford using Ben Gay,\" Passero said.

Passero, 62, a native of Canada, was served the complaint by State Steward Walter Blum at approximately 1:30 p.m. in the horsemen\'s bookkeeper\'s office at Gulfstream. Groom Abraham Siddo, the groom who alleges Passero ordered him to apply the pepper, had been served with a complaint Saturday morning.

Passero and Siddo have 21 days from Saturday to request a formal hearing before the division to show just cause why their pari-mutuel occupational licenses should not be suspended or revoked or why they shouldn\'t be fined.

According to the complaints, Siddo and two other grooms who work for Passero were seen applying an unknown substance in or around the genitals of five horses trained by Passero between Feb. 9 and Feb. 26. The grooms were said to have been observed applying the substance by agents of the Thoroughbred Racing Protective Bureau and investigators with the Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering. The substance was allegedly applied at Gulfstream\'s staging area, where horses are brought before going to the paddock.
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: miff on May 09, 2015, 01:44:43 PM
Difference with Ziadie is that many are claims that move way up off his magic....Oscar like!
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: FrankD. on May 09, 2015, 01:50:47 PM
Come on Mike,

When Oscar was asked what he saw in Shifty Shiek whom he claimed for 35,000 even though he was winless for the year he said \"he had a good mother\" !!!

5 days after the claim he won by a dozen at the Spa just missing a track record and a month later nearly upset Slew O\' Gold in the Woodward.
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: miff on May 09, 2015, 01:56:30 PM
Oscar hung around the park at Belmont with a pretty large group of us prior to his mercurial rise to fame. A tough Jewish guy that hung with us got in Oscars face one day about a ridiculous move up. Oscar defiantly said \" I put dee blinka\"
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: FrankD. on May 09, 2015, 02:03:57 PM
I have to conserve my posts Mike, I think I got about 7 years here X 5 and I\'m in double digits today. There might be some real juicy stuff later?

Like an idiot on a beautiful day  I spent some of it at the tele and the rest in the house betting horses! It might as well be below zero!
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: T Severini on May 09, 2015, 03:05:21 PM
HP Wrote:
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> This is amazing.  
>
> In the weeks and months before the AFC
> Championship Game, McNally periodically exchanged
> text messages with the Patriots equipment
> assistant primarily responsible for the
> preparation of the Patriots game balls, John
> Jastremski. In a number of those text messages,
> McNally and Jastremski discussed the air pressure
> of Patriots game balls, Tom Brady\'s unhappiness
> with the inflation level of Patriots game balls,
> Jastremski\'s plan to provide McNally with a
> "needle" for use by McNally, and McNally\'s
> requests for "cash" and sneakers together with the
> "needle" to be provided by Jastremski. A sports
> ball inflation needle is a device that can be used
> to inflate a football (if attached to an air pump)
> or release air from a football (if inserted alone
> into a ball).\"


Its the same principle........stick a needle in it and you get better production out of it. How can that be cheating?
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: shanahan on May 09, 2015, 03:35:56 PM
names?  ***
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: P-Dub on May 09, 2015, 04:21:03 PM
FrankD. Wrote:
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> No whats his name in 97 or 98 at Gulf won 16 or 17
> in a row, he was putting cayenne pepper on their
> testicles; Frank some Spanish name can\'t recall
> it.

One of them a full brother to Pants On Fire
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: Dick Powell on May 09, 2015, 05:04:36 PM
Wish one of these former trainers would speak up and name names. Lance Armstrong went down when Floyd Landis turned him in. If my professional life was on the line, I would sing like a canary.
Dick
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: alydar61 on May 09, 2015, 05:34:07 PM
Yes. Frank Passero.
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: alydar61 on May 09, 2015, 05:37:10 PM
Favorite Trick. Horse of the Year. What a joke!
Title: Re: Cheats!
Post by: Boscar Obarra on May 09, 2015, 07:26:20 PM
The downside of living room downs. At least I used to get some exercise and fresh air in the good old days.

 Now I have to remember to get out of the chair once in a while.