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Title: Saratoga Race 3
Post by: billk5300s on August 14, 2014, 10:51:48 AM
How can they leave Sabbatical up when the horse interfered with Silky twice and came in a full path.  I understand that Mara came out but that should have been a DQ IMHO.
Title: Re: Saratoga Race 3
Post by: Ollie on August 14, 2014, 12:26:45 PM
NYRA stewards protect NYRA, the Jockey Club, and New York State. Any thought that they represent the public, and the bettor, is merely a fallacy that people assume --- and you know where that leads to --- ass - u- me.

When evidence was presented to Steve Lewandowski 8 years ago about a corrupt partnership, he simply spent 5 seconds thumbing some 20 pages of proof accumulated, and declared, \"I don\'t see anything.\" That allowed the corrupt outfit to continue to exist, bilk any investor not aware of the scheme, before leaving their investors \'high and dry\' by declaring bankruptcy 6 years later and walking away untouched. The stewards cared more about the crooked outfit, providing horses for starting gate, than protecting the public from being preyed upon. The public and the bettor are odd men/women out.
Title: Re: Saratoga Race 3
Post by: Topcat on August 14, 2014, 02:00:03 PM
Never could figure out how the numbers could be made to work, with that one . .  said the same thing I just said, whenever I was asked about them . . .
Title: Re: Saratoga Race 3
Post by: Tavasco on August 14, 2014, 02:05:19 PM
Yep, NY stewards get it right almost never. They are a bad joke. Fire them all!
Use a rotating panel of uninvolved in the race jockeys and/or trainers to review replays.

Problems yesterday in the feature. No death no foul. How can there not be enough room for five horses on the track at one time. Intimidating race riding tactics now standard practice, uncivilized cheat to win culture. How could racing be losing fans. What a  mystery?

I would prefer time trials. It would take much more time and reduce the boring period between races. Plus one horse could be entered in multiple races, partially solving the small field problem.

Not to mention collusion.
Title: Re: Saratoga Race 3
Post by: billk5300s on August 14, 2014, 02:08:55 PM
Illinois stewards DQ horses for petty infractions.  I\'m not sure which is worse.
Title: Re: Saratoga Race 3
Post by: richiebee on August 14, 2014, 07:59:16 PM
Ollie Wrote:
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> When evidence was presented to Steve Lewandowski 8
> years ago about a corrupt partnership, he simply
> spent 5 seconds thumbing some 20 pages of proof
> accumulated, and declared, \"I don\'t see anything.\"
> That allowed the corrupt outfit to continue to
> exist, bilk any investor not aware of the scheme,
> before leaving their investors \'high and dry\' by
> declaring bankruptcy 6 years later and walking
> away untouched. The stewards cared more about the
> crooked outfit, providing horses for starting
> gate, than protecting the public from being preyed
> upon. The public and the bettor are odd men/women
> out.

Funny I remember hearing the same story at the NYRA Open House meeting held at
Belmont about 15 months ago. Magic Night might help refresh my memory on this,
but the storyteller was none other than Ken Sherman.

Do tell, \"Ollie\".
Title: Re: Saratoga Race 3
Post by: magicnight on August 14, 2014, 10:07:05 PM
Your memory needs refreshing the way that Jones Beach needs sand.
Title: Re: Saratoga Race 3
Post by: richiebee on August 14, 2014, 11:16:01 PM
Still laughing over the PowerPoint slide explaining your \"sharp decline in
production at around2turns\" during the month of July.

As to the \"god damn day job\" mitigating factor, just remember the great line from
\"Raising Arizona\" ... \"You\'re young and you got your health. What do you want with a job?\"

You\'ve told us quite a bit about the Turf Club. When it is completed, an MTV
Crib treatment might be appropriate.
Title: Re: Saratoga Race 3
Post by: Ollie on August 15, 2014, 08:49:23 AM
No one should ever accuse you of not having an ultra-keen memory, Richie.

Carmine is now gone, and they gave the absolute slug, Lewandowski, his job. It will have everybody asking, \"Who stewards the stewards?\" That\'s because nothing really has changed. The same set-up remains, focused entirely on doing things that will be in NYRA\'s, the Jockey Club\'s, and New York State\'s interest. The public\'s and the bettor\'s interests are purely only afterthoughts. Think about it. Eight years ago, if they thoroughly investigated the complaint about the corrupt outfit, it would have opened another huge can of worms, something the sport could ill-afford. Imagine waking up and reading the newspaper headline, \'The NYRA Stewards implicated In Aiding and Abetting Corrupt Racetrack Outfits Preying On An Innocent Public\'?

I never shared this before. But, one official, (who had been thoroughly involved in the sport throughout his life --- as an owner, and as a trainer) I had made contact with knew exactly what was going on, and completely understood and agreed with what I was communicating and trying to do about the corrupt outfit, and what they had been doing. He had agreed to help me address issue, and he was doing so. That was until, there was \"a sudden change in direction,\"  which I sensed was brought on by \"the powers that be\" intervening in the official\'s pursuit in the matter. The official would later meet with me, sympathize and suggest I accept what had been offered, but related that he would not be able to help me any further with the issue. So, the corrupt outfit was allowed to continue to bilk an unsuspecting public for another 6 years.

And, please don\'t make the mistake of thinking that, I was the only one who noticed the significant discrepancies, and that the numbers didn\'t add up. Several of us did, but I was the one who sought a change, and tried to achieve one. The corrupt outfit? They wanted me banned from the barn, and outfit leader instructed the trainer not to allow me in the barn. I wasn\'t there, but several of the barn crew were only too happy to share, what had occurred with me. The barn crew were laughing, telling me the trainer told outfit leader to \'Go f___ himself, and never tell him who to allow, or not to allow in.\' We (my girlfriend and I) continued to go to the barn every week, as we had been doing all along, and we had become friends with so many of the crew --- and \"Yes,\" a lot of the barn crew were aware of how the corrupt outfit was operating.

I had to get a lawyer to get the money the corrupt outfit was withholding and  refusing to give to me, that my horse had earned. I eventually got what was being withheld, and made out a lot better than so many, many others, who the corrupt outfit was allowed to continue to bilk.