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Title: CC status
Post by: Bet Twice on May 21, 2014, 02:49:26 PM
Anyone hear how CC came out of the Preakness?  Not that I put too much into the old \"he ate through the bottom of the feed bag\" ....but curious nonetheless.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: TGJB on May 21, 2014, 02:51:47 PM
The nasal strip kept him from getting to the bottom of the bag.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: HP on May 21, 2014, 02:59:40 PM
Not true.  This was in today\'s NY Times.  He made it to the bottom.  

As for California Chrome's health, Sherman said the colt had not coughed since Thursday at Pimlico Race Course in Baltimore.

He said he would scope the colt in the next few days just to be safe, but said several times that the horse "has not missed an oat."

"We don't change; we're pretty consistent in how we train this horse," Sherman said. "He's eating very good. He's licking the bottom of the feed tub."
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: joemama on May 21, 2014, 03:07:46 PM
Well if it was in the NY Times then.......

Surely the information is legitimate.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: HP on May 21, 2014, 04:22:43 PM
It\'s a direct quote.  I don\'t think the Times is unreliable in terms of quoting a guy?  There\'s a reason these things are cliches.  What else are you going to talk about two weeks out?  It would be great if he said \"you know my horse look like crap now, these two races have knocked him on his ass.\"  You can\'t blame the Times for Sherman being optimistic and positive and seeing the bottom of that tub!
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: Boscar Obarra on May 21, 2014, 06:27:53 PM
Some here have noted he dropped his head while walking back to the winners circle, supposedly a sign of severe tiredness.

 My guess, was trying to graze.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: sekrah on May 21, 2014, 07:04:13 PM
HP Wrote:
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> It\'s a direct quote.  I don\'t think the Times is
> unreliable in terms of quoting a guy?  

Google Jayson Blair.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: TGJB on May 21, 2014, 08:53:09 PM
And the way you know the difference between the Times and everyone else is how big a story Blair was.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: joemama on May 22, 2014, 01:46:43 AM
It doesn\"t matter what he did after the Preakness .  What matters is what he\'s going to do in the Belmont Stakes.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: joemama on May 22, 2014, 01:53:16 AM
Just taking my shot against this fine literary establishment (NY Times).  Thanks for helping make my point.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: richiebee on May 22, 2014, 04:05:42 AM
Remember that Charles Barkley once complained that he was misquoted...in his
autobiography.

Speaking of newspapers, what sporting newspaper has angered many by charging for
content which was once free, but apparently did not put any of its added income into
redundant offsite data storage?
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: joemama on May 22, 2014, 05:25:21 AM
I give up.  Which one was it?
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: richiebee on May 22, 2014, 05:34:32 AM
Joe have you tried to log on to Daily Racing Form in the last 18 hours?
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: joemama on May 22, 2014, 05:48:01 AM
Ah yes.  I am wondering if they went out of business.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: wipitoga on May 22, 2014, 08:16:46 AM
Owned by Investment firm...cut costs, boost revenue any way ,any how
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: wipitoga on May 22, 2014, 08:18:13 AM
then sell it to the next guy for a profit... on to next deal.
thats the reality of it
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: miff on May 22, 2014, 08:22:02 AM
DRF is owned by a private equity firm which attempts to \"squeeze\" every cent out of a company before it attempts to flip it for a profit.Probably not happening with DRF,racing a flatline industry at best,on line data competing more with DRF.

The nickle and diming with DRF plus, paying for works/charts etc which were always free along with many other things tell the tale.DRF hard copy now an astonishing $7.00...$7.50 on weekend in a new condensed form.

....my other bible, getting worse,more and more....f--king shame.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: TGJB on May 22, 2014, 08:35:06 AM
Mike-- I\'m afraid to ask what your other Bible is...
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: TheBull on May 22, 2014, 08:38:42 AM
The funny part is that Steve Crist and some others there used to be loud voices of reason and logic in an industry that, shamefully, rarely gets it right. Now when I read something in DRF being critical of lax medication rules, takeout increases or pool integrity for disregarding the bettor in order to line industry pockets further, I just roll my eyes at the hypocrisy.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: wipitoga on May 22, 2014, 08:47:11 AM
Hi miff,

They are Probably trying to get the bottom line numbers up, make it a little more attractive, sell it for a lit bit less of a loss than before and move on. Not unlike goldman buying SLK before electronic trading dwarfed NYSE floor market makers. Bought SLK 6.5 billion, selling NYSE mkt making piece 30 mill. I hope they take a beating
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: KK4510 on May 22, 2014, 09:05:17 AM
Notice how the DRF has no mention of any the negative comments regarding Churchill ( CC owners, Lower handle since takeout increase )
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: miff on May 22, 2014, 09:10:25 AM
Wip,

Arlington Capital Partners is a group made of up some of the big time venture capital guys.They own DRF going on 7 years and I can safely assume that their revenue projections were blown up when handle tanked from its peak of $15 billion back then to it\'s present $10+billion...advertising $$ virtually non existant also.

Hope it survives in some form


Mike
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: Topcat on May 22, 2014, 09:29:00 AM
KK4510 Wrote:
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> Notice how the DRF has no mention of any the
> negative comments regarding Churchill ( CC owners,
> Lower handle since takeout increase )

Couple of the guys are telling it straight on Twitter -- but in print? Forget it.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: richiebee on May 22, 2014, 09:30:54 AM
miff Wrote:
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> Wip,
>
> Arlington Capital Partners is a group made of up
> some of the big time venture capital guys.They own
> DRF going on 7 years and I can safely assume that
> their revenue projections were blown up when
> handle tanked from its peak of $15 billion back
> then to it\'s present $10+billion...advertising $$
> virtually non existant also.
>
> Hope it survives in some form
>
>
> Mike

It will survive online; I would say the ever shrinking print edition might be
an endangered species.

As for now, a visit to DRFlive reveals that they are working to resolve
problems caused by yesterday\'s catastrophic power outage. For now there is no
DRFBets (I would never sign on with an outfit that bombards you with pop ups
the way they do), no DRF.com and no access to online PPs. They could take a
huge hit over the upcoming Memorial Day weekend.

You wonder if DRF has business interruption insurance, and then you have to
ask yourself if you were writing a policy, would you be happy that the
potential insured did not have off site redundant data backup, as is
apparently the case with DRF.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: smalltimer on May 22, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
Richie,
Without a backup system, that would be tough.  Talked with my son who\'s in that business and first thing he said was, \"Oh, s@@t, their whole business is data.\"
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: sekrah on May 22, 2014, 12:12:52 PM
I would be stunned if DRF didn\'t have everything backed up.  At my office,  our network drives are constantly being backed up.  It\'s continuous throughout the day.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: wrongway on May 22, 2014, 12:41:31 PM
just went to drf.com offering link for free pp\'s today & tomorrow--click on link and \"this page just scratched\" removed url changed or temporarily unavailable.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: wrongway on May 22, 2014, 12:44:36 PM
just tried again--worked this time
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: wrongway on May 22, 2014, 12:58:50 PM
downloaded a few forms worked just fine
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: vagrant on May 22, 2014, 01:35:32 PM
DRF should be the Wall Street Journal of horse racing. It\'s the USA Today instead. The editorial offers nothing that\'s not readily available through other, free sources. Ditto for the data. We turn to DRF out of habit, not necessity. That\'s the real problem. People are breaking the habit and finding themselves no worse for the wear.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: Tavasco on May 22, 2014, 02:47:56 PM
Their plight is all to common and a lesson for all businesses.

Geez I thought I was in the newspaper publishing business only to find out I was really in the business of satisfying the informational needs of racing fans.

Geez I thought I was in the business of making speed figures only to find out I was really in the business of ? ...satisfying the knowledge needs of serious US racing patrons.

The customer is the business! What would satisfy his really important wants.

Knowledge is the  business! What do we do well that others have difficulty with.

Remembering - What exists, products, thinking, customers, etc is getting old and obsolete. The knowledge of a business needs constant renewal and improvement.

The preceding is my paraphrasing of Peter Drucker.

Denial would be a coping strategy. Like CC is no faster than a number of others or he was faster as a two year old.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: kencbs on May 22, 2014, 04:42:46 PM
I wonder how much they lost a couple of years ago when they couldn\'t get BC forms out in time due to Sandy.  You\'d think they\'d have a backup plan for events like that.
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: Silver Charm on May 22, 2014, 05:11:08 PM
Things were even worse after 9/11. Jerry can attest to that. Not only could people not get their business open they couldn\'t get people down there to get it open. DRF went to some type of throwback version of the PP\'s and Form initially.

Its a good company, a historic brand and run by good people. They will figure it......
Title: Re: CC status
Post by: richiebee on May 22, 2014, 06:18:15 PM
Free PPs now up for Saturday...