Are they still banned in NY?
The reason I ask, is that California Chrome wears one.
As of 2 years ago they were banned:
New York is the only state that bans nasal strip use. The prohibition does not come from the New York State Racing and Wagering Board, which approved their use in October 1999 and allows nasal strips to be used in Standardbred racing.
The strips have been banned at New York Racing Association tracks at the discretion of stewards under a one-sentence, catch-all equipment state regulation known as 4033.8 that states: Only equipment specifically approved by the stewards shall be worn or carried by a jockey or a horse in a race.
When the NYSRWB approved the strips in 1999 it was done so with the provision that they would be re-evaluated at the end of the year. The next month the NYRA's then-president and chief executive officer, Terry Meyocks, announced the strips would be banned at NYRA tracks, according to Dr. Jim Chiapetta, a former practicing veterinarian and president of Flair LLC, which developed and produces the strips.
\"There is no specific rule in New York regarding nasal strips other than the use is at the discretion of the stewards,\" NYSRWB spokesman Lee Park said.
Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/70062/no-nasal-strip-no-problem-oneill-says#ixzz322YLadTP
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/70062/no-nasal-strip-no-problem-oneill-says
Former Head of NYSRWB John Sabini, poster boy for a politically appointed stooge,gave Doug O\'Neill a hard time with I\'ll Have Another.Clueless Sabini had IHA under surveillance 24 hrs under the guise of integrity.Permission to cook oats for IHA had to be granted and the nasal strip that IHA wore thru the TC was banned by Sabini.Several NY trainers I know were embarrassed by NYRA/Sabinis actions and told Doug O\'Neil so.
New regime at NYS Gaming comm/NYRA may be more flexible. How about if connections of CC demand he be able to wear Nasal Strip or CC don\'t run in Belmont?
Apparently the three blind mind mice, NYRA, Jockey Club and NY State stewards have final say on nasal strip but have some rather bullcrap type reason for not allowing this equipment.
BALTIMORE -- California Chrome might abandon his Triple Crown bid in the Belmont Stakes if New York officials do not allow the colt to wear a nasal strip.
Trainer Art Sherman suggested it was a possibility, although he made no threats about California Chrome passing on a chance to become horse racing\'s 12th Triple Crown winner.
\"I\'d have to leave it up to the owners,\" he said Sunday. \"I know they\'ll be upset.
The rulebook for Belmont Park that establishes race conditions does not specifically mention nasal strips.
http://www.sacbee.com/2014/05/18/6413666/nasal-strip-could-threaten-chromes.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=247955#mi_rss=Latest%20News
the entire article
if its a rule, why bend it just because a horse has already won the first 2 legs of the TC? what precedent does that set? is it a silly rule? maybe. but it is a rule none the less. if you are going to bend it just under the threat that CC may not run, you arent setting a very good example.
why should CC be allowed to wear one but say some horse in the 5th race on a Thursday cant? we all want equality and uniformed bylaws of the game. its silly to pick and choose what rules apply to who, IMO. they should either apply to everybody or nobody at all.
I read where Doug O\'Neill was told I\'ll Have Another could not wear the nasal strip in the Belmont either. That horse had the first 2 legs in the books and scratched before the race, so the issue became irrelevant.
Seems like if the rule applied to I\'ll Have Another under identical circumstances, the rule should apply to Chrome as well.
I\'m not pro or anti Chrome, just the rule is in place and presumably applies to all horses.
If the owners want to withdraw Chrome from the Belmont that would be their choice.
Too much money at stake for all parties involved to pull a stunt like this. Then the stable name would truly fit.
I know one of the horse owners suggested Chrome use it and has since reeled off 6 straight wins. The guy may dig his heels in and put the clowns on notice.
There have been lots of trainers who use the nasal strip, some horses it may have helped, others not so much. Seems like if it helped all animals, they would all be wearing one.
The New York powers that be apparently think the strip helps some horses and not others. If they didn\'t originally think it gave a horse an advantage, then they wouldn\'t have it banned.
Far as I\'m concerned, if Chrome isn\'t in the Belmont, the attendance and viewership on television drops 50% or so.
If Chrome is in, and Asmussen takes the publicity nightmare risk of entering Untapable, then we got ourselves a horserace with millions rooting for Chrome and millions routing against Asmussen.
Makes for a great run-up to the race.
If the connections of California Chrome don\'t want to run without a nasal strip and pass up a shot at the triple crown , then let em. They can shoot for the Haskell then. No Travers. Get ready for the Breeders Cup . It\'ll be at Santa Anita.
Agreed. To hell with the NYRA.
The Stewards have the decision making power in this area.They declined to allow IHA to use it.On the basis of some idiotic thought that a horse could be listed to race with it,not have it on in the paddock,requiring them to have that horse race for purse only.
That is an idiotic reason to deny its usage.The rule was reviewed on more than one occasion but because there was insufficient interest shown by NY trainers it was dropped.
Nasal Strip not NYRA\'s call
He\'s gonna be able to wear it.
Agree, Paul. Can\'t imagine they would call his bluff here, over that.
Your probably right . In this day and age where laws are for everyone else except lawmakers, where the laws that are enforced are, at the enforcers choice, I can see that happening. Just ask for permission. \"You can get anything you want at Alices Restaurant.\"
Mike, we both know the rule can go away if they want it to. I don\'t recall horses having been \"harmed\" by wearing one, rather, maybe using one and finding the horse showed no improvement in performance.
The worst scenario is Chrome skips the Belmont, and then a horse he defeated in the first two legs comes back and wins the race without the Derby/Preakness champion there.
Would be additional fodder for the horse owner who put Churchill in a poor light because of shoddy treatment.
It appears one of the owners had mapped out a plan for Chrome\'s 3 year old campaign and thus far it has been a perfect plan. I imagine his plan included Chrome wearing the nasal strip and I don\'t think that owner is going to change.
Have a good one.
This raises some serious questions. Like, if it doesn\'t help, why is it an issue? If it does help, why isn\'t the public made aware when they go on and off? Did he really start wearing it when he made the big jump?
If they have refused to let horses wear them in the past and do now, they might as well stop regulating this game entirely.
Supposed to help reduce the possibility of bleeding.Just like uniformity with other stuff they are working on, ban it everywhere or allow it everywhere.
THere already has been a precedence set regarding the nasal strip with I\'ll have Another being required to wear one. So because it\'s 2014 and not 2012 it\'s ok.
by Shermans own admission it makes his horse 5-6 lengths better when wearing it.
if something, some piece of equipment can have this dramatic of an impact, why is it not listed just the same way lasix is?
It\'s the same as these throat surgeries they do to the horse , then the horse runs light out at 50 to 1 next time out. The general betting public has no idea the surgery took place. Same goes for first time gelding a horse.
...same goes for when they change the type of blinkers a horse is wearing, the
type of bit in a horse\'s mouth or the type of bridle he is wearing, all changes
which can move a horse up, all changes probably 95% of horseplayers are unaware of...
Why should the game be transparent, we only bet $10 billion between us!
joe,
The gelding thing is one of the reasons I included Ring Weekend on the bottom of several of my supers. He was gelded prior to this 3 year old year, once that turf race was over, he started to look like a real racehorse. I knew he wouldn\'t get the trip he had at Tampa Bay, and Garcia said the horse hated the Calder surface, so I tossed that race.
I have a lot of respect for Graham Motion and I figured he thought Ring had a \"chance\" to run fairly big at Pimlico. I thought the horse ran well even though he\'s not ready now, or probably never, to beat Chrome and a couple others.
In some lesser company, if he gets on the front end and gets to carve out some fractions, he\'s gonna be a handful.
Pretty talented horse and a very talented trainer. Love that combination.
Richie,
Its just like the TSD\'s on the Florida/Ohio/Nebraska circuit as well as a couple others.
That equipment change (Cornell Collar) is denoted on the bottom of the daily programs. I don\'t buy the DRF so I don\'t know if they do or don\'t denote that for the player.
That\'s a reason some of the trainers on that Florida circuit continue to light up the board. Some dudes try with the horse first time, others adjust it properly for the second run, some wait till the 3rd out and then roll.
Some horses respond, others are just slow horses. Some trainers have used it with zero success, others have made a small fortune.
Only way you play their intent is by paying close attention, or in my case I\'ve developed spreadsheets since they began to allow it and the same cast of characters keep using the same patterns.
Information like that needs to be readily available to the public, period.
In the right hands, that is a helluva performance enhancer.
this could get fun
Martin and his family did not attend the Preakness. Co-owner Steve Coburn said it was because the Martin was upset with the hospitality in Kentucky during the Derby weekend.
\"I want to tell you something. It would be very questionable that he (Martin) could say, \'Hey, I don\'t understand why they won\'t let me run (in New York). Maybe they don\'t want us there.\' \"
Added Sherman, \"That might be a little interesting if Perry Martin says, \'Well, if I can\'t go, I guess I\'ll go to the Los Alamitos Derby (in July in California). .... Orange County might be a little overcrowded that day.\"
The more info that is public, the more people would be on races. The people running this sport really are inept and clueless.
What is the modestly bred CC\'s value as a stallion?
Is CC\'s value as a stallion significantly enhanced if he wins the Triple Crown,
or diminished if he loses at Belmont?
As a racing fan, I would have no problem with the owners saying \"Our colt is
tired, we will be skipping the Belmont and laying him up for a while, see you at
SA in November.\"
Richie
Your worst post since the one a few years ago where u said u were fine with the zenyatta connections ducking Rachel and waiting for a future matchup that never happened.
Why, \"as a fan\" do u not want to see a triple crown attempt, don\'t want to see chrome at the summer classics, etc.
Exactly why the game has no fans.
As somebody else pointed out, we would get relateively huge mainstream attention if Asmussen decided to run Untapable against the triple crown bid of chrome. The bid itself will draw ratings, but if the filly champ showed up, forget about it!
Meeting right now with NY Stewards re nasal strip issue. At least they are going right at it.
Tell them to take a hike and make them call my bluff if I\'m CC\'s connections.
NYRA will fold like a two-dollar suit.
Sek,
NYRA is desperate for CC to run. The 3 Stewards will decide, one a NYRA appointee, one a Jockey Club appointee, one a NY State appointee.They are under the gun having refused the connections of IHA couple years ago to use nasal strip.
Mike
Not including the Apple Blossom and 2 Breeder\'s Cup Classics where the Z people were more than willing to take on Rachel.
History has shown that us real racing fans were really cheated on that one.
Jimbo, I know you and I can agree on that point.
Have a good one.
Jinbo:
So its a matter of \"lets do right by the horse, unless it will make the public
unhappy?\"
The horse comes first. CC has every right to be tired. Maybe if I have some
time today I will look to see how many Belmont winners had 12 races under
their girth coming in to the Belmont.
If they are thinking of the horse\'s stallion value, I was simply saying that a
BC win might have as much value as winning Derby/Preakness and losing the
Belmont, the result a lot of us seem to be expecting.
As to Untapable, would love to see the trophy presentation, Ogden Phipps and
SMA all smiles.
Racing\'s problems are not related to the limited participation of its
superstars, which has been blamed on JB and Len Ragozin. Lack of national
governance, takeout, perception and embarassing media coverage all contribute
to Racing\'s current plight.
Not going to touch Zenyatta/ Rachel other than to say that the former\'s
underachieving daughter is entered in the feature at SA today.EDIT HALF
SISTER
As to the meaning of a Triple Crown winner for Racing, erstwhile poster Rich
Curtis said it best (paraphrasing):
The only thing a Triple Crown winner will do for Racing is to prove that a
Triple Crown winner will do nothing for Racing.
when I see words like \"tired\" and \"nasal strips\" being bandied about, I start to wonder if CChrome will be anywhere near Elmont, New York in the month of June.
Oceanport anybody?
Los Alamitos Derby
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Grade II
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For 3-Year-Olds
One Mile and One Eighth
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$500,000 Guaranteed
Maybe we get a compromise , one nostril.
You got Sherman\'s quote mixed up. He said \" it\'s NOT going to move him up 5-6 lenghs\"
This horse will run in the Belmont with a nasal strip or without in my opinion. The only way he doesn\'t run is if it\'s health related somehow. You don\'t pass up a chance of a lifetime to get the triple crown unless horse is hurt.
Don\'t know if your question was answered but Sherman said horse is on six race winning streak with the strips, which implies that they were added when he jumped to a 1 in December ...
Some brief history on nasal strips.
As near as I can tell from a google search, Equibase started providing the nasal strip info in their PPs around 2000 according to this press release dated 3.27.2000
http://www.equibase.com/news/releases/00releases/03072000release.cfm
In 2011 it appears DRF discontinued providing the info, for reasons described here:
http://www.drf.com/news/nasal-strip-info-discontinued
I can definitely remember nasal strip info being in Keeneland programs in the mid 2000s, but don\'t ever remember noticing it going away and can\'t place my finger on when it might have stopped.
Yeah, well they routinely supply Tongue Tie info in Hong Kong. I will assume accurately.
They want you to bet your hard earned money , but it\'s too much \'trouble\' to report what might be relevant equipment.
Raise the takeout another percent and hire someone to stand in the paddock and take notes.
Tom Keyser
The nasal strips California Chrome has been wearing may not be permitted when he runs in the June 7 Belmont Stakes.
A decision on whether dual classic winner California Chrome will be permitted to use nasal strips when he bids for the Triple Crown in the June 7 Belmont Stakes should be made by Tuesday, according to a New York Racing Association official.
Martin Panza, NYRA's senior vice president of racing operations, said he put Art Sherman, trainer of Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner California Chrome, in touch with the stewards at 3:45 p.m. Eastern, at which time Sherman formally requested permission to use nasal strips on California Chrome in the Belmont, Panza said. A decision was expected within 24 to 48 hours, Panza added.
California Chrome has worn nasal strips in each of his last six starts - including victories in the Kentucky Derby and Preakness.
On Sunday morning, Art Sherman, the trainer of California Chrome, was surprised to hear that he may not be permitted to use nasal strips on his horse in the Belmont. He even went so far to suggest that Perry Martin, co-owner of California Chrome, may not want to run in the Belmont if the use of nasal strips is denied.
"Perry Martin might say if I can't put them on that horse I'm not sending him," Sherman said at Pimlico. "I think it helps. It's not going to move him up five or six lengths but you hate to change things."
Nasal strips, legal for use in many jurisdictions, are not used in New York, though there is not a rule specifically banning them. In fact, in 1999, the then-New York State Racing and Wagering Board approved their use but New York Racing Association officials - specifically then-president Terry Meyocks - said they would not be permitted for use in New York.
Lee Park, spokesman for the commission, said the stewards have the right to approve or disallow the use of nasal strips based on Rule 4033.8 that states \"Only equipment specifically approved by the stewards shall be worn or carried by a jockey or a horse in a race.\"
In the past, New York stewards did not permit the use of nasal strips, in part, because they were not sure how to regulate it should the strips fall off in the paddock or during a race.
In 2012, I'll Have Another wore nasal strips winning the Kentucky Derby and Preakness but his trainer, Doug O'Neill, was told that he could not use them in the Belmont. It became a moot point when I'll Have Another was scratched the day before the Belmont with a tendon injury.
"You pick your spots when you argue with the refs," O'Neill said. "I didn't want there to be an asterisk if we won the Triple Crown. We did not put up a fight. I was not told to put in a request to the stewards or else I would have."
O'Neill said he uses nasal strips on all his horses in California because he believes it's a good way "to help a horse's air passage and to lessen their chance of getting a bloody nose," he said.
"How is it not a smart thing?" O'Neill added.
O'Neill said he is interested to see how the stewards handle the request by the connections of California Chrome to use nasal strips in the Belmont. He plans on bringing three horses to run at Belmont that weekend, including Goldencents in the Grade 1 Metropolitan Handicap on the undercard.
That\'s funny!!
Because it\'s a stupid rule.
Big leap there.
TGJB Wrote:
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> If they have refused to let horses wear them in
> the past and do now, they might as well stop
> regulating this game entirely.
Rules are changed in all sports. Putting the goal posts in the back of the end zone hasn\'t been a bad thing.
If all teams did this but one, what would you say about that team??
This is a silly rule, made by 1 jurisdiction. You\'re saying Nasal Strips are comparable to allowing all of the various medications used throughout the country?? If they allow Nasal Strips, then lets just open up the medicine chest and let trainers do whatever they want??
Every jurisdiction allows it but one. Changing your rule to comply with what every other jurisdiction allows doesn\'t mean we have turned racing into the Wild West.
Given the way you\'ve been acting here recently I\'m going to guess you\'re missing the point I made intentionally. Regardless, you want to give it a rest for a while.
On the larger issue, which was NOT the point I was making, it\'s either a performance enhancer or it isn\'t. If it raises horses ceilings it should be banned, if not they don\'t need it. And no, it\'s not like Lasix-- which is being abused, but which definitely has a therapeutic value in some cases.
You\'re right that the strips aren\'t like lasix but 100% backwards as to why. all the strips do is help to keep the nasal passage open. they are exactly the same as the kind made for people to prevent snoring. you can test them yourself, just go to walgreens and buy a pack. also unlike lasix they have no ill effects on the horse.
usada and wada allow nasal strips for all human athletes, but not diuretics, like lasix. they wouldn\'t allow them if they were performance enhancers. the crap that is legal in horse racing is universally banned in human competition, which should put debate about their use in racing to bed.
lasix improves the power to weight ratio, which is a huge performance enhancment (we talked about this here). we learned last year that it also buffers lactic acid, which is a huge performance enhancement (we talked about this here). And diuretics are still the main method of masking other drugs, which is a huge performance enhancer. lasix also has some pretty evil side effects. it\'s a human drug, so its not hard to find someone on it. ask them if they enjoy how it makes them feel. ask them if they\'d like to go run their hearts out on it.
the strip is in plain sight, you can\'t hide it like any other \"performance enhancers.\" there is no way the strip has made him better than other horses, though it may have helped him to run more comfortably, which may have made his performance slightly better vis a vis his own performances. in a field of horses on epo, freaking out over nasal strips is like freaking out about have a cold in the onocolgy ward.
he started his career on poly surfaces, almost all of his 2 year old races, ifrc, were on ploy tracks. his career improved once he moved to dirt. that probably had a much greater impact than the strips. the strips are routine in most other equestrian sports, and are cheap. if they were a magic bullet, everyone would use them.
the therapuetic value of lasix cannot out weigh the side effects of its use. ive posted them here before. they are easy to find. just google it. it leeches calcium and potasium, and causes dehydration. you dont have to be a doctor to understand the black box warnings on the packages.
you\'re fighting the good fight, but your opinion on this is not a good fight.
todd pletchers figure 8 halters that he uses universally are certainly unncessary for the majority of his horses and most horses perform worse wearing one...
TGJB Wrote:
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> Given the way you\'ve been acting here recently I\'m
> going to guess you\'re missing the point I made
> intentionally. Regardless, you want to give it a
> rest for a while.
>
> On the larger issue, which was NOT the point I was
> making, it\'s either a performance enhancer or it
> isn\'t. If it raises horses ceilings it should be
> banned, if not they don\'t need it. And no, it\'s
> not like Lasix-- which is being abused, but which
> definitely has a therapeutic value in some cases.
The way I\'ve been acting recently?? Seriously??
You\'ve got guys foaming at the mouth, taking posts out of context.
But its me who needs to give it a rest.
Your point was public disclosure. I get it.
Which post(s) didn\'t you care for?? The one where I called out a loud mouth who also missed the point?? Endorsing Kerry Thomas??
I agree , then open up the medicine chest. But not right now. How bout everyone get a advance notice so all when know when the new rules will be implemented , like in the other sports. Let\'s say the new rule or rule change goes into effect 1 January 2015.
kekomi Wrote:
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> todd pletchers figure 8 halters that he uses
> universally are certainly unncessary for the
> majority of his horses and most horses perform
> worse wearing one...
Kekomi:
First of all, lets straighten out the terminology: We\'re talking about a
\"bridle\", not a \"halter\".
Secondly, what most of TAP\'s runners wear is not a traditional \"figure 8\",
which is a separate piece of equipment added in addition to a conventional
bridle. The traditional figure 8 was two straps which crossed over the horse\'s
snout in an \"x\" or \"eight\" pattern.
The bridle most of TAP\'s runners seem to wear is merely a noseband or shadow
roll fastened to the bridle by a small strip of leather or nylon, basically
turning two pieces of equipment into one. The next time I see Bad Luck Bennie
the Exercise Rider I will try to get more info on this equipment.
Since we have a Triple Crown bid in progress we will likely see pictures of
the Brilliant! Seattle Slew, who sported a not commonly used piece of
equipment called the \"sure win\", a rubber bit holder which, like the figure 8,
gives the rider better control of his/her mount.
Better make that 96 percent, How bout 97 percent, do I hear 98 percent, I say bartender make that 99 percent and I won\'t feel a thing at all. Reminds me of a song I once heard.
Your absolutely right . I hadn\'t even thought of of those types of changes. More proof of why I shouldn\'t be in this game.
\"He\'s gonna be able to wear it.\"
Is that the rumour on the Zenyatta/CC fanboy page?
1) This is just one more example of the game shooting itself in the foot. The lack of uniformity of policies and regulations is not a quirky characteristic that adds charm to the game. I know it won\'t change, and I know why, but it gives sports bettors and casino players one more reason to say, \"Glad I don\'t have to deal with that.\"
2) New York needs to come out with a clear statement as to why exactly this is proscribed behavior. Or s__tcan the whole regulation.
3) If this is a \"performance enhancing\" tool, that does not make it a bad thing. Many forms of equipment, supplements, etc. enhance performance. There should be clear lines as to what is acceptable and what isn\'t, but more importantly, \"why.\"
4) If NY maintains the prohibition, but allows Chrome to run, it\'s a bad precedent, but in a business where inconsistency of policies and procedures rules the day, this is not the time to start worrying about the Marquis of Queensbury rules. They can start doing that on June 8. Meanwhile, figure out how to put some P.R. lipstick on the pig, and get the horse on the track.
Very interesting tidbit,just heard. Former famous/infamous NYS Steward Carmine D\'Onfrio was the one who pulled the plug on the nasal strip and refused to discuss the matter with the inventor Dr.Chiapetta for a long time.
Seems D\'Onfrio would only consider it if lasix was banned.DR. Chiapetta claimed it also enhanced breathing while horses are under stress as it holds up collapsing nasal tissue.
Anyhow,D\'Onfrio now gone,a new Steward there. Maybe a different outcome.
Mike
Joe Drape:
California Chrome fans can breathe easy: New York regulators are expected to allow Chrome, the Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner, to wear his nasal strip in the Belmont Stakes, where he will try to become only the 12th horse to sweep the Triple Crown.
Scott Palmer, the equine medical director for the New York State Gaming Commission, instructed state stewards to discontinue their ban on the 4-by-6-inch adhesive patch — similar to the Breathe Right strips worn by N.F.L. players and chronic snorers, — which is designed to ease breathing by decreasing upper-airway nasal resistance.
It is legal in most jurisdictions, and California Chrome has been wearing one since Perry Martin, one of his owners, suggested he try one after the colt finished sixth last fall in a stakes race. California Chrome has won six straight races since the white patch went on his white blaze.
Ah, so great minds DO think alike. Here\'s another hard-hitting essay on the questions of the day. Thanks to JB for the space!
http://around2turns.com/2014/05/19/breathless/
Alan Sherman said on Byk\'s program that the strip has been approved by NYRA.
People at my work that don\'t follow horse racing but know I do have been asking about the nasal strip issue. That\'s not what we want the casual Joe to be talking about. So silly!
Are front bandages a performance enhancer? How about blinkers, tongue ties, shadow rolls and toe grabs? I think you\'re putting nasal strips in the wrong category.
Good. Hopefully not as an exemption but as a rule change.
May 19, 2014
JOINT STATEMENT FROM THE NEW YORK STATE GAMING COMMISSION,NYRA AND THE JOCKEY CLUB REGARDING THE USE OF NASAL STRIPS
The three Stewards at Belmont Park today unanimously agreed to allow the use of equine nasal strips for all horses running at racetracks of The New York Racing Association, Inc (NYRA), effective immediately.
http://www.gaming.ny.gov/pdf/05.19.14.StewardsNasalStripsDecision.pdf
if it\'s a rule change fine if it\'s an exemption that\'s garbage
It\'s garbage either way, because there\'s only one horse in the world they would have changed the rule for.
If the quasi-public info is correct, CC was \"nose strip on\" starting in December. That race was at Hollywood, and not on dirt, so the improvement can\'t be attached to surface (and in fact he had just run a 12 on dirt at Santa Anita on BC weekend). He made a HUGE jump to a 1, and hasn\'t gone back since. It\'s a lot more than \"5-6 lengths\".
Most of the PED\'s these days (EPO, Clenbuterol etc.) work on the basis of getting more oxygen into the system. If it\'s not a performance enhancer, try it without it, Cinderella. Or just explain why the hell you\'re wearing one.
TGJB Wrote:
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> It\'s garbage either way, because there\'s only one
> horse in the world they would have changed the
> rule for.
>
> If the quasi-public info is correct, that CC was
> \"nose strip on\" starting in December, that race
> was at Hollywood, and not on dirt, so the
> improvement can\'t be attached to surface (and in
> fact he had just run a 12 on dirt at Santa Anita
> on BC weekend). He made a HUGE jump to a 1, and
> hasn\'t gone back since. It\'s a lot more than \"5-6
> lengths\".
>
> Most of the PED\'s these days (EPO, Clenbuterol
> etc.) work on the basis of getting more oxygen
> into the system. If it\'s not a performance
> enhancer, try it without it, Cinderella. Or just
> explain why the hell you\'re wearing one.
If its a performance enhancer, then why don\'t all horses wear them??
For the same reasons people don\'t all use the other ones. And because in NY there\'s a rule.
But many will now. Which will create even more variables for handicappers, and unknowns-- except to insiders. The opposite of transparency.
TGJB Wrote:
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> For the same reasons people don\'t all use the
> other ones. And because in NY there\'s a rule.
>
> But many will now. Which will create even more
> variables for handicappers, and unknowns-- except
> to insiders. The opposite of transparency.
Have you seen jump ups on other horses that added nasal strips?? Just asking.
Or is that difficult to find due to figuring out when a horse may have started using them.
It looks like this is going to be a rule change. It would be a good time to start documenting the effectiveness of nasal strips. I wonder if there plans to list this as an equipment change in the DRF or program info.
Drawing an analogy. When I bet on football games I want to know whether my RB is changing to the dark visor, what cleats my team is wearing, whether my OL are wearing those transformer knee braces or not, whether my QB is wearing a pad for his lower back, whether my WR is trying some new gloves that work well in cold weather. I\'d also like to know if they were out partying the night before, how well they slept and if they had a bowel movement or not. If yes, was it loose or firm. All relevant but I think FULL transparency may be information overload.
bigbeaz Wrote:
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> Drawing an analogy. When I bet on football games I
> want to know whether my RB is changing to the dark
> visor, what cleats my team is wearing, whether my
> OL are wearing those transformer knee braces or
> not, whether my QB is wearing a pad for his lower
> back, whether my WR is trying some new gloves that
> work well in cold weather. I\'d also like to know
> if they were out partying the night before, how
> well they slept and if they had a bowel movement
> or not. If yes, was it loose or firm. All relevant
> but I think FULL transparency may be information
> overload.
If it was loose, I just bet the Under. Hits at 62.38 %
If the info is available we don\'t have it.
If it\'s a performance enhancer, it seems like a pretty safe one and if it\'s that good, why don\'t more trainers use them? Agree with full disclosure of equipment.
Earlier in this string someone posted a link to a DRF story from a couple years ago. Equibase stopped reporting the information because only about one-quarter of the tracks were supplying the data. Think the article said only about 1.6% of all horses were using them.
JB,
Equibase having trouble gathering the info. If all venues reported it as an equipment change, heavens forbid, you could capture it for your stuff off the equibase file.
Lotta discussion on release of vet records and many other matters of transparency valuable to gamblers....meeting some fierce opposition from one group or another.
Tell your pal at the Jockey Club that they are useless.Lots of transparency stuff could be centralized and available at their site,FREE. They could use the money being spent on the useless bus tour in it\'s stead.
Mike
This is garbage... If the thing isn\'t an enhancer then why so aggressive in saying they may not run the horse?? So your telling me NO horse in NY has been able to use one but now that the Triple Crown is on the line, it\'s now ok throughout the state to wear them?? LOL NY Racing backed down way to fast over this... So they really were not going to race him in the Belmont Stakes if not allowing to wear it? ONCE AGAIN LOL. Yeah lets pass up the opportunity to become the 12th Triple Crown winner, whatever, it was a total bluff by the owners and NY gave in FAST!
Let me say one last thing if it wasn\'t a total bluff to get their way then what does that say about the thinking in the CC Camp on what this strip (ENHANCER) is doing for the horse? Makes me kinda wonder if Churchill was really at fault for their Derby experience being less then satisfying?? I mean more and more they (owners) are looking like jerks if you ask me... AND TRUST ME I WOULD NEVER THINK ABOUT DEFENDING CD INC. normally!!
AH what being in the spotlight of the media can do to people from humble beginnings before the Derby to now pushy aggressive \"we won\'t run unless we get our way\" possible Triple Crown winners. Life is a gift isn\'t it.
Nasal strips were in vogue a few years ago before their popularity petered out most likely due to efficacy. My take on this is the trainer and owners are old school, superstitious, if it works don\'t change it types. I don\'t remember nasal strips having much of a performance impact when they were popular and I don\'t think they have much to do with CC\'s current success.
According to EquiMed the makers of FLAIR Nasal Strips:
\"FLAIR nasal strips are scientifically proven to reduce lung bleeding and can reduce bleeding as much as the drug Lasix/Salix when horses are running to fatigue.\"
EquiMed editorial 5/5/2012
It shouldn\'t have been an issue. NY was on the wrong side of the rule and it took a crisis to fix it. That\'s usually when things do get fixed.
Mike-- the issue with the JC is not intent, it\'s lack of leverage.
The other problem is every time there\'s something everyone can agree on (stopping ILLEGAL drugs, releasing vet records etc.), someone decides that\'s a good time to start attaching \"hay and oats\" to the project, which stops it dead.
That\'s advertising.
If it\'s for luck, let him run with it stuck on his butt.
I think you understand my point better than that.
I do not. And given the horse jumped 11 points (6 1/2 from an isolated top) and stayed there, with that being the only change we\'re aware of, what evidence there is says it\'s a performance enhancer.
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> If it\'s for luck, let him run with it stuck on his
> butt.
Jerry,
Nasal Strips help air coming in.
This clearly does the opposite, restricting air from coming out.
Chrome 2.0? Naw, going with California Mozilla. Maybe California Netscape.
if he were a she, they might use a vagina strip....dont laugh!
Wrong. These were popular years ago and had so little impact most barns stopped using them. That\'s your evidence. Saying he jumped forward 11 points and the only equipment change a was a nasal strip and so it must be the nasal strip is really lame reasoning and is denying a lot of what we know about 2yos getting faster at 3.
I agree if its not enhancing the horse in some way since putting it on then what\'s the big deal about stating you may not run.. unless A) they like to complain or B) they are looking for a way out of running?? I mean the horse looked dead tired after the race to me. There is only one way to end this so all will be right with the world and that is let the horse wear it and he still lose the race. Anything else from this point on it\'s controversy...
Here is a link to a study.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEkQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.revistas.ufg.br%2Findex.php%2Fvet%2Farticle%2FviewFile%2F5396%2F5926&ei=xzp6U-fOHtStsATy9YHgDg&usg=AFQjCNFYUE2B8s2ufp1eTzmgx_bFfDpTSw&sig2=hVNx9mkbPmH8RE9z-EDOkg&cad=rja
The only thing I think this is good for is if your horse snores.
errr... you might want to take note that in the same State, NY State,Harness horses use it regularly....only an issue because a very old school NYS steward Carmine D\'Onfrio wanted it that way... no other reason.
Really, you know they had little impact. Show me data.
And show me another sheet like CC\'s, just another 2yo getting faster at three, other than from a move-up guy or Lasix on. You know, the old 11 point jump to a 1 and no bounces for 6 months.
Like Bobby Valentine used to say, if it doesn\'t matter that Glavine is pitching from off the rubber, let him pitch from on it, it won\'t hurt him any. If it isn\'t helping him, let him run without it.
Yah, with a habernero garnish. Where is Frank Passero now?
Yeah, why can\'t we be more like the trotters...
Someone should ask the all-time king of performance enhancers Steve RunAllday for his opinion on nasal strips
You do the numbers. You look it up. But, if they\'re really that potent, why don\'t more trainers use them and why did trainers stop using them? You\'ve got some investment interests in horses, don\'t you. Do your trainers use them? Are you going to suggest they start using them?
You\'re coming into this string very late, that\'s all been covered.
OK.
If something legal moved a horse up 6 inches,every trianer would be using it.
I posted a link to a study it has no effect on performance.
You should all put one on. If you think this stupid band aid will improve your performance in any activity let me know. The only possible benefit is for snoring in a small % of people.
Go,
I read a study that concluded it helped prevent EIPH(bleeding) in a trial involving race horses.
Mike
Who conducted the study?
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> I do not. And given the horse jumped 11 points (6
> 1/2 from an isolated top) and stayed there, with
> that being the only change we\'re aware of, what
> evidence there is says it\'s a performance
> enhancer.
The isolated top was 4 races into his career, followed by a 3 pt move back and a op in the next race which was in the BC.
We all know about his affinity for clean trips, and the backward move after the isolated top can be explained by the trip.
So, one could also say he made a 6 point forward move, at a time horses are improving dramatically.
Was it the Nasal Strip? Did they change anything else?? Shoes, bit, feed, or any number of things??
You\'re saying its the Nasal Strip, making him perhaps the only horse that has improved this much via a nasal strip. If Nasal Strips move up horses as you suggest, then every horse would be wearing them.
You\'re making your assumptions, that Nasal Strips are performance enhancers, based on your figures. You aren\'t taking anything else into account as reasons for the improvement.
First of all, the study was six horses, and under very different circumstances.
Second, I\'ve used them almost every single night since they first hit the stores and they make a HUGE difference in air I get and whether I wake up constantly. It may depend on the person (or horse), but it\'s not a close call with me.
Did you get that study off the Flare website?
Yeah, but you\'re overweight.
Dont\' recall but if you to Flair, they will surely have something supporting their product
No. You are doing what you do.
I\'m saying what evidence there is shows that he jumped up then, and that the pattern is unusual (and in my memory unique). But there\'s an easy way to find out. Run without it.
That\'s the point, it\'s where I began. It either has an effect or it does not. If it does he shouldn\'t be allowed to wear it. If not it shouldn\'t matter. You can\'t argue that it has no effect AND he needs to have it.
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> No. You are doing what you do.
>
> I\'m saying what evidence there is shows that he
> jumped up then, and that the pattern is unusual
> (and in my memory unique). But there\'s an easy way
> to find out. Run without it.
>
> That\'s the point, it\'s where I began. It either
> has an effect or it does not. If it does he
> shouldn\'t be allowed to wear it. If not it
> shouldn\'t matter. You can\'t argue that it has no
> effect AND he needs to have it.
Doing what I do?? Which is........
Sorry. That last comment was rude. I apologize. But drawing a comparison between you\'re sleeping better and a horse running faster has no place on this bulletin board.
I thought my girlfriend didn\'t post here any more.
Most certainly not by horseplayer standards, and outside the fashion industry 6-2, 215 isn\'t THAT bad.
Now I have to hit the gym...
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> I thought my girlfriend didn\'t post here any
> more.
>
> Most certainly not by horseplayer standards, and
> outside the fashion industry 6-2, 215 isn\'t THAT
> bad.
>
> Now I have to hit the gym...
I laughed my ass off.
Then I stepped on my scale.
I have used them bad allergies. They do help some. I just can not see anyway they will improve performance.
It would only be rude if you were right.
There is no doubt I get a lot more air with those things. And again, there\'s no problem here-- if it doesn\'t matter he can run without it.
JB,
Your reaching pal, getting beat up by a horses should be nothing new to you.It\'s silly to think a nasal strip gave CC an inch of ability. The nasal strip, like any equipment change, blinkers, bit,etc etc have moved many horses forward.Why would anyone NOT run with a piece of equipment that move their horse up?
As for your personal experience with a nasal strip, you are still slow and your figs are ground loaded.
Mike
Good. Let him pitch from the rubber like everyone else. No problem.
..he scuffed the ball.
Your BMI is 27.6. 25-29.9 is overweight. 30 is obese big guy.
What percentile would that be, exactly? Downtown Manhattan is not exactly Fat City, and I have a pretty good idea what I\'m looking at.
And anyway, muscle weighs more than fat...
OK. No more sniping. I probably just got banged around a little too much Saturday and I\'m still feeling it. I still doubt the nasal strips are the reason for the jump up. Who knows. Maybe they\'re really nicotine patches.
Alright. Alright. All true. No mas. Looking forward to the Preakness summary.
I think the issue is that nasal strips enhance breathing which in turn can enhance performance. A horse that bleeds will perform to his level till he starts to bleed. So a horse that has a breathing problem won\'t show issues till he is put under tremendous stress.
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> If something legal moved a horse up 6 inches,every
> trianer would be using it.
If something legal moved me up 6 inches, I\'d be using it. At that point, I\'ll take my chances with performance enhancement.
The whole issue of these equine \"breathe rights\" should be put in the running for the \"much ado about nothing\" award for 2014. Almost nobody uses them and almost nobody outlaws them. So far, the only rationale for NY racing\'s prohibition belongs to one former steward who had a burr in his saddle on the issue. Just the kind of firm ground you want to be standing on to blockade the most newsworthy event the sport will have this year. The upshot is that NY racing will have to look stupid for undoing something that was probably equally stupid in the first place. That is probably the least newsworthy event the sport will have this year.
There is a woeful lack of documentation about the efficacy of this glorified band aid anywhere other than the product website, which is the first place I always go for unbiased reporting. Is it possible that Chrome jumped through the roof because of the product? Well, given the lack of information about the product or anything else the horse might have experienced at that time, who knows? But, for the horse\'s connections, if it ain\'t broke they ain\'t gonna fix it. This was a no brainer stand off for them, because they were holding all the winning cards. But, if it really was some kind of magic elixir does anyone seriously think Doug O\'Neill would have rolled over in 2012? There are lines in the sand all over the place that need to be drawn for performance enhancers. This doesn\'t look like one of them.
First of all, the rumors in 2012 were that IHA never left his stall after the Preakness so it may never have been an issue in the real world. But from where I\'m sitting nobody wanted O\'Neill to win the TC and everyone wants Sherman to, and NYRA needs positive news. None of which are good reasons to change a rule for one horse.
But that aside, again, the issue is one of transparency, and keeping this game bettable. We don\'t know whether the strip moved him up-- but if not it\'s a hell of a coincidence, and if it did, it moved him up a LOT.
Or Vodka on or off for snoring purposes!
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> But that aside, again, the issue is one of
> transparency, and keeping this game bettable. We
> don\'t know whether the strip moved him up-- but if
> not it\'s a hell of a coincidence, and if it did,
> it moved him up a LOT.
1) No question about transparency, but that also goes to the reasons for establishing regulations. It\'s about keeping the game credible as well as bettable. If there was a good reason for this, as opposed to steward whimsy, then you make your stand. They rolled over very quickly on this which suggests they didn\'t like what they were feeling underneath their feet. Until I read persuasive documentation that the band aid works, I don\'t think I\'m going to jump all over \"first time breathe right\" if they start publishing it in the Form. That doesn\'t mean it didn\'t work for Chrome. All it means is that we really don\'t know what it means.
2) Those strips were a waste of money for me. I still get relegated to the spare bedroom on \"important sleeping\" nights. You have me by about 50 pounds (and 50 yards off the tee), so I want to know if that\'s the secret.
3) This is a long thread, and I may have missed it along the way, but the trainer is Art Sherman, not Alan Sherman. Not trying to play forename police here, but the only connection I can make to \"Alan\" Sherman, for those old enough to remember is \"hello mudda, hello fodda\".
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> Second, I\'ve used them almost every single night
> since they first hit the stores and they make a
> HUGE difference in air I get and whether I wake up
> constantly. It may depend on the person (or
> horse), but it\'s not a close call with me.
I tried one the other night. one of my co-workers assured me it did NOT prevent me from snoring...
Alan is Art\'s son. I think the issue of nasal strips can be looked at like front wraps. Some trainers put them on for no reason other than to deceive the public and other trainers. Some horses need front wraps for leg issues. I think CC my have a breathing problem which was solved using nasal strips. Could explain why they work for some horses and not for others. Probably cheaper than nasal surgery which he may get after the TC.
This has been an interesting and engaging topic. I came to the following conclusions about the whole scenario.
1. When Delgado was replaced by Espinoza the horse benefitted by a rider who no longer tried to have the horse on the rail, or moving the horse up in between horses. As mjellish said initially, Chrome likes to stalk on the outside.
2. When I looked at video and then the result charts, every time except the San Felipe, Espinoza was able to stalk from the outside. With Delgado, any time Chrome was in between horses or chasing inside, CC ran up the track. Credit to Victor for putting the horse where the horse wants to be.
3. First they added fronts for 3 races. Then they removed the fronts and added Lasix and blinkers. The last thing added was the nasal strip.
4. That appears to be the magic formula for this horse now.
5. The horse performs a workout or jogs a mile and a half without the strip, but uses it in races. If its produced a desired affect in live races, why not use it for workouts/long jogs?
6. Now, I think Chrome is running with some confidence that he may be able overcome being trapped inside for awhile, or at least until Victor can move him where he wants to be.
7. I\'m with mjellish and a few others on here regarding how tired Chrome is right now. When he began to make his way back to the winner\'s circle after the race, I seen Chrome drop his head for a couple steps. I\'m convinced he emptied out pretty good at Pimlico.
8. Depending on who actual shows up, I\'m gonna play the race 25% that Chrome has one more real good one in him, 50% that he\'s empty in the stretch, and 25% that he doesn\'t even hit the super.
9.For the sake of my buddy P-Dub, I hope Chrome runs great and returns healthy.
It takes a helluva horse to win all 3 and he will have one helluva target on his back at even money.
10.Good luck to all.
Even money try 1/5 you know how many people are buying $2 win tickets to sell on ebay!! lol This horse will be every bit of 2/5 in the wagering if not really 1/5! I have a friend in NY that is going to the races just to purchase 1000 - $2 Win tickets not cash them just so he can sell them on ebay after the horse wins the Triple Crown for like $30 each. BTW he did the same thing with Big Brown and almost killed himself when the horse pulled up, lol... and was all set to do the same with I\'ll Have Another as well.
No way my buddy is the only one with this idea, I can\'t see him over 2/5 in the wagering and expect him to be 1/5.
So what happens if I buy 1000 $2.00 win tickets and he wins the Triple Crown and I post them on ebay for $ 20.00 each? Which one you gonna buy first?
Clearly the $30 versions are more valuable!
I love it, you say he looked beat after the Preakness and I thought he looked like he hadn\'t been in a race.
Not saying I\'m right, just how perception is everything.
This Donofrio guy sounds like quite a sketch.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/horse-in-contention-for-triple-crown-will-have-to-run-without-nasal-strips/2012/06/06/gJQAaAwnJV_story.html
Boscar,
Then by all means, after the race one of us will be right and the other totally full of s##t.
I have much more creative ways of betting the race than selling tickets on ebay.
Second time firm is a great angle.
Maybe it was \"Victor-on\" for which there is a designation.
Maybe Victor is a better jockey than given credit and the horse likes him.
Maybe Victor\'s been carrying the buzzer.
Maybe the horse finally got fixed whatever was bothering him over the summer causing the layoff lines.
For the record, Sherman did NOT say it moved him up 5-6 lengths. He said \"it\'s not as if...\"
Whatever the reason, there appears to be the potential for it to be something other than \"strips-on\". And whatever it was/is has enhanced his performance figures. Regardless, he\'s beaten me twice and I\'m not going to the funeral in 3 weeks so he may beat me thrice.
Good luck -- Patrick
\"This Donofrio guy sounds like quite a sketch\"
Wow. If you can get 10-1 on Chrome on eBay tickets, sounds like you can arbitrage your bets on all horses and guarantee a profit on the Belmont. Interesting math problem but doubt it\'s true.
Mike-- You\'re either going to include a disclaimer or use your full name. Because I run the board under my real name and they know where to find me.
Wow ... that is just WRONG
He\'s Italian, he assumes everyone knows.
I\'ll help out my paisano (friend not the pizza joint) Mike; for those of you whom do not know him he is 100 % Italian as am I.
However I must recommend that his fellow Staten Islander Richiebee immediately enroll and sponsor him in a diversity and sensitivity training program. It\'s touchy feely school for Miff!
I can\'t speak for you , but I wouldn\'t consider you totally full of sh&t if CC wins the Belmont.
Partially, maybe.
Alan \"outed me\" long time ago. Was obviously said tongue in cheek.
I didn\'t hear one thing about the nasal strip until after the Preakness.
Now it\'s overshadowed the slow Derby and the Triple Crown itself in importance (by post count).
Can\'t make this stuff up.
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> Alan is Art\'s son.
Thanks for setting me straight, and apologies to the OP for inference of erroneous title. The real problem, however, is I can\'t get that damn song out of my head.
Well TVG let you Lock in 3/2 odds on California Chrome Friday between Noon – 1PM ET / 9AM – 10AM the day before the Preakness.
Anyone watching the Ranger game? Eddie Olcyk just mentioned the \"Breathe Right\" issue for CC as part of the color commentary (around 11:45 in the 3rd period). Last night \"Nasal Strips\" were listed as the #6 trending topic on Yahoo. Seems like the general public is pretty well engaged in this topic. Good for the sport - even better for betting the Belmont...
Heard the comment, I shook my head, damn media, love them when you are against there horse, hate them when they won\'t stop talking about your horse..
Rangers up 2-0 won 5 in a row back to the Garden..
Chrome had heel issues and changed to padded shoes, but this occurred after the 1st jump up in December. It certainly has helped prevent any setbacks or training delays. Per DRF
CYPRESS, Calif. -- With white hooves on all four feet, Kentucky Derby winner California Chrome always has needed a little extra attention to hoof care, and his trainer, Art Sherman, said blacksmith Judd Fisher came up with a unique solution. California Chrome races in glue-on shoes, but the shoes are not glued on, they are affixed with nails.
The shoe, not the glue, is the reason, Sherman said. The shoes that California Chrome wears "help so he doesn't go back on his heels," Sherman said.
"All horses with four white feet are prone to needing more care because of the lack of pigmentation. The hoofs can be shellier," Sherman said this weekend at Los Alamitos, where he is overseeing his local stable before heading to Pimlico this week for the Preakness Stakes. "It takes more effort to keep them in shape.
"We're always working on his feet. Horses with white hooves, they have a tendency to have problems if you don't keep up with them."
Sherman said that California Chrome was having trouble with his heels last year at age 2. According to Sherman, Fisher liked the way the padding in the glue-on shoes he prefers raised the heels of California Chrome's hooves. So Fisher buys glue-on shoes, and then drills holes in the shoes so they can be affixed with nails.
"We could see he needed a little help, nothing major," Sherman said. "You have to trust your blacksmith. It was Judd's idea. You've got to let the experts do it. If you have a gut feeling it might be the right situation, you have to go for it."
Sherman said Fisher shoes all the horses in his barn. "He's a young, strong kid," Sherman said.
Fisher was at Churchill Downs for the Kentucky Derby. "He didn't want to miss it," Sherman said. "He'd never been."
California Chrome was freshly shod prior to the Derby. Since he is shod every 30 days, Sherman said, he will not need fresh plates for the Preakness.
It's a labor-intensive process, but there's no denying the results so far. Sherman said California Chrome started being shod in this fashion after he won the King Glorious Stakes at Hollywood Park on Dec. 22. That was the start of what is now a five-race win streak, so he has worn the new shoes for four races, including the Derby.
"This is new for me. But it must've worked. You can't say I'm old-fashioned about everything," Sherman said, laughing.
Background below on the early use of the Flair product, as an aside I do know the cough which Chrome has it most likely allergies to the dust in his hay, often occurring when introduced to a change in hay when he shipped. In the late 80\' we used wood shavings instead to keep the dust down and they are still widely used today.
Run, Baby, Run: What Every Owner, Breeder & Handicapper ...
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Still, it was a compelling image in the winner\'s circle after the 1999 Breeders\' Cup Classic. Cat Thief was wearing a nasal strip, and so was his jockey, Pat Day, ...
Further background:
http://www.flairstrips.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/TrainerColor-v1.pdf
and also:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/for-these-olympic-athletes-breathing-easy-isnt-horseplay-72995397.html
Happened to catch a little bit of Letterman last night. He also mentioned it in his monologue. Made a bad joke about how the powers that be would let CC run with the nasal strip, but they put their foot down when Sherman asked if CC could run with his reading glasses. When I think of breathing strips, I don\'t think of old guys trying to stop snoring - I think of Jerry Rice catching TD passes. Ironically, that reference probably makes me old! In any event, the topic certainly seems widespread - I don\'t know what the record is on TG for # of posts in a string, but this has to be getting close...
Yes, this nasal strip thing brought out the stupidity in all of us.
Not wanting to be left of that last comment, I recall in the early nineties that some (other) competitive road runners began using them and touting their benefits. I don\'t recall whether the strips caused these guys\' times to improve, and the strips seemed to disappear after a few years.
Mike
Maybe we need a new TG notation - first time nasal strips. Curious as to what the move up % on this is, if any.
TAP used them on a few my friends horses that raced outside of NY.....nutin!
After we\'ve exhausted this topic we can talk about my zero impulse momentum putter I designed that is all the rage. I also used to work for the CIA and NSA.
Remember on 5/19 when I said one of us would be right and the other one would be full of #%^&? Since I was right, guess we know who was full of #$%^.
are you referring to your fantasy that you were able to detect \'tiredness\' that would be a factor three weeks hence?
I didn\'t need to wait for the result to know who was fos