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Title: DelMar Stewards
Post by: Box on July 19, 2013, 07:45:14 PM
Explanation for the non-take down in Race Seven was that the incident happened at the start of the race \" where a DQ is not warranted\"... WOW
Title: Re: DelMar Stewards
Post by: Tavasco on July 19, 2013, 07:50:58 PM
Because it was my choice and I\'m lucky today!

Oh yeh, and owned by Reddam!
Title: Re: DelMar Stewards
Post by: P-Dub on July 19, 2013, 08:33:54 PM
Surprised me, thought it was a DQ.
Title: Re: DelMar Stewards
Post by: Lost Cause on July 19, 2013, 08:39:56 PM
Semmed like an easy DQ to me..4 completely wiped out the 2 and 3 at the start.  Can\'t figure out how that did not have an effect on the race..It makes you shake your head and ask why do I play these races again..
Title: Re: DelMar Stewards
Post by: plasticman on July 19, 2013, 09:41:27 PM
I actually agree with the call. This is a very tricky precedent to set, taking down a horse who bumps another horse in the first jump of the race. If you watch lots of head on replays, you\'ll see that in almost every race at every track in the country, someone bumps someone else. So, you can have 2 ways to look at it. Either you can dq everyone who causes bumping, or, you can just say that whatever happens at the start is \"part of racing\" and all the bumps will even out in the end.

You can\'t pick and choose who you DQ for bumping at the start, so you either have to DQ them all, or DQ none of them. I know that some tracks will stray from this rule, but most have to adhere to it.
Title: Re: DelMar Stewards
Post by: P-Dub on July 19, 2013, 10:18:37 PM
Hold on a minute.

This wasn\'t a \"bump\".  This was a horse taking a sharp left turn out of the gate and wiping out 2 horses.

Would you apply these same standards in the stretch??

I understand that there is a different level of leniency at the start of a race, but this horse side swiped 2 horses and took them completely out of the race.

You can\'t pick and choose who you DQ??  Then why have stewards? Isn\'t that part of their job, to pick and choose who gets DQ\'d and who doesn\'t??

There are different levels of bumps or interference. You suggest a black and white, all or nothing interpretation.  If this kind of \"bump\" is allowed at the start of a race, then what\'s to stop someone from entering 2 horses, with the intent of side swiping the favorite at the start of a race??  Can you imagine what a BC sprint would look like if this type of thing is allowed??
Title: Re: DelMar Stewards
Post by: Topcat on July 20, 2013, 04:08:19 AM
plasticman Wrote:
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> I actually agree with the call. This is a very
> tricky precedent to set, taking down a horse who
> bumps another horse in the first jump of the race.
> If you watch lots of head on replays, you\'ll see
> that in almost every race at every track in the
> country, someone bumps someone else. So, you can
> have 2 ways to look at it. Either you can dq
> everyone who causes bumping, or, you can just say
> that whatever happens at the start is \"part of
> racing\" and all the bumps will even out in the
> end.
>
> You can\'t pick and choose who you DQ for bumping
> at the start, so you either have to DQ them all,
> or DQ none of them. I know that some tracks will
> stray from this rule, but most have to adhere to
> it.

Standard-issue bumping/jostling upon leaving the gate is one thing.  Second-degree manslaughter is quite another.  SoCal stews remain the worst in the country.
Title: Re: DelMar Stewards
Post by: cubfan0316 on July 20, 2013, 05:27:24 AM
joke, should of been a d.q. this horse cost 2 horses a chance to win, simple
Title: Re: DelMar Stewards
Post by: Lost Cause on July 20, 2013, 07:47:20 AM
Agree with you on the normal brushing out of the gate being left up but this one would have gotten an old batman \"KAPOW\" on the screen.
Title: Re: DelMar Stewards (Eddies Curl/watch list)
Post by: JoseOcon on July 20, 2013, 08:14:14 AM
I just added the horse to my watch list
Title: Re: DelMar Stewards
Post by: Fairmount1 on July 20, 2013, 03:52:37 PM
Tune into TVG right now for more explanation from one of the stewards at Del Mar.
Title: Re: DelMar Stewards
Post by: Lost Cause on July 20, 2013, 05:06:38 PM
Fairmount1 Wrote:
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> Tune into TVG right now for more explanation from
> one of the stewards at Del Mar.


Did what he say make sense?
Title: Re: DelMar Stewards
Post by: Fairmount1 on July 20, 2013, 05:26:52 PM
IMO, No he didn\'t.  He stated clearly there was \"interference.\"  But he couldn\'t answer how if the 4 injured the 3 when interfering how that wouldn\'t be a reason to take the horse down among other good questions from Simon Bray playing Devil\'s Advocate.    

It was a 2-1 vote and this was a steward who voted to leave the result as is, No DQ.

EDIT:  I do want to note I appreciate the transparency of the steward as it truly seems stewards are like the man behind the curtain....