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Title: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: Silver Charm on May 04, 2013, 06:21:02 PM
TAP sent everything at him. Frontrunners and closers. Chad Brown had his ready and leading at the top of the stretch. Doubt we will see a repeat from Golden Soul. Two dull ones in a row for Luckyday. No New Shooters who were sitting this one out. Oxbow pressed a really rapid pace and held respectibly but he cant go with Orb!

Ran wide, sized\'em up and ate\'em up. Would not be surprised at if it happens again in the Janneys home territory....
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: MonmouthGuy on May 04, 2013, 06:37:15 PM
Orb ran a tremendous race, but it looked to me like he bore out in the stretch.  That was one tired horse, and for good reason.  No cinch in two weeks.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: Silver Charm on May 04, 2013, 06:46:39 PM
Normandy Invasion bore out in front of him. Final quarter was a tad slow. Orb was put to a strong drive for 3/8ths to 7/16ths of a mile. He might CRUSH this field in two weeks. The place to get him is in 5 weeks....
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: TreadHead on May 04, 2013, 06:49:23 PM
Think Verrazano might have something to say about that, if it is dry.  Jocks comments said he was really struggling to get a hold of the track and was working way harder than normal to try to keep up.  If he comes out of this race in one piece, has the right running style and number power to be a big factor in the Preakness.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: TGJB on May 04, 2013, 06:53:21 PM
Based on the chart comments my guess is Orb, NI and Rev roughly matched their tops. ML and the bomb that ran second probably ran new tops.

Okay, who\'s gonna incur Pdubs wrath talking about who set the crazy fractions two years in a row...
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: TGJB on May 04, 2013, 06:55:13 PM
Or... That was his last start.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: meatloaf on May 04, 2013, 06:57:36 PM
Verrazano came out of the race with a gash on his hock, no doubt well earned when he backed up and drifted out into the rallying Will Take Charge at about the 3/16 pole.  WTC nearly went down.  I would be surprised to see Verrazano back anytime soon, if ever.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: big18741 on May 04, 2013, 06:58:31 PM
Verrazano looked awful going to the post.
Dripping kidney sweat down his back legs.
He was wobbly in the stretch at Aqueduct.
He\'s toast in the short term IMO.

I would give Itsmyluckyday another try before Verrazano.
Fla Derby off two months.
Five weeks into the Derby with no real work the two weeks leading up to it.
Could be he needed this.
Or maybe he\'s cooked as well off the January fast races.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: SteveB on May 04, 2013, 07:17:31 PM
Golden Soul came out of the Louisiana Derby with Rev and ML as well as Departing who will probably turn up in Baltimore. It is turning out to be a key race.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: Breakage on May 04, 2013, 07:29:48 PM
Smith losing his brain and annihilating anything near the front or that moved early had nothing to do with anything-Orb toyed with them!
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: P-Dub on May 04, 2013, 07:35:11 PM
TGJB Wrote:
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> Based on the chart comments my guess is Orb, NI
> and Rev roughly matched their tops. ML and the
> bomb that ran second probably ran new tops.
>
> Okay, who\'s gonna incur Pdubs wrath talking about
> who set the crazy fractions two years in a row...

No problem with the ride last year.

Today was a bit of a head scratcher.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: TreadHead on May 04, 2013, 07:43:56 PM
Yeah, I\'ve been scratching my head all spring at the number of people (not just here) that were saying toss all the Louisiana horses.

I get that Verrazano has the brittle family history, but there were an awful lot of other horses running zigzags in that stretch, and if our criteria is largely based on \"because he/she ran a -2 in 3yr old spring\", then there are several other horses we saw this weekend that may be done for as well.

Just re-watched the DVR, since I was on-track locally and couldn\'t hear a thing.  The biggest thing I missed watching it live is that VYJACK was all the way up into 2nd place around the first turn.  Smith had an excuse, they put blinkers on his horse and he said he was way too keen and he had no choice, if we are questioning rides the ride on Vyjack is 10X more questionable IMO.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: MonmouthGuy on May 04, 2013, 07:49:28 PM
Normandy Invasion was the only horse in the first group of horses (horses that chased the pace) that finished in the top half of the field.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: sekrah on May 04, 2013, 07:53:52 PM
Agreed MG.  Finish of that race reminded of when Super Saver won it in the slop.  SS and PoP were spent.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: Boscar Obarra on May 04, 2013, 09:36:47 PM
VYjack acted up in the warmup according to NBC , was rank early on and stopped cold a half mile from the finish, was eased.  

 Didn\'t train well either according to most reports.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: Breakage on May 04, 2013, 09:39:55 PM
Vyjack went from 34-1 to 25-1 at post to 18/1 after the off-sending was obviously in the plan.

and not only did Smith urge the horse before the first time past the wire he started riding the horse in the turn-half the field was keen going into the turn-happens every year-they don\'t decide to go commit suicide.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: Flighted Iron on May 04, 2013, 11:11:20 PM
Or i take 30 to 1 he\'s in the starting gate for the breeders cup mile.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: TGJB on May 04, 2013, 11:21:59 PM
You find a lot of people willing to give you 30-1 on props? Which don\'t even involve winning?
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: Flighted Iron on May 05, 2013, 12:18:27 AM
You proposed he may/might not start again. I\'m proposing he starts again. This
isn\'t a threat to the figures. I\'m really a big fan. My number one choice and
for good reasons. One very darn good one for that matter.
 The fifteen for the two races was a steal. The product for the derby
was close to incredible regarding info. I made Golden Soul 2.5-3.5 at best and
was one of my first tosses. You play golf right. would you rather hit the ball
more flush or score better?
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: Beau on May 05, 2013, 03:55:06 AM
Smith said \"he caught a flyer out of the gate\"... I think I\'ve heard him say that on a number of recent big race days. One that stands out in my mind was after he rode Royal Delta in the BC Distaff 2012 (it worked out that day), another was last years Derby with Bode (not so good). I didn\'t have PM on any of my tickets so I was smiling when those fractions appeared on the screen.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: P-Dub on May 05, 2013, 10:05:39 AM
Beau Wrote:
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> Smith said \"he caught a flyer out of the gate\"...
> I think I\'ve heard him say that on a number of
> recent big race days. One that stands out in my
> mind was after he rode Royal Delta in the BC
> Distaff 2012 (it worked out that day), another was
> last years Derby with Bode (not so good). I didn\'t
> have PM on any of my tickets so I was smiling when
> those fractions appeared on the screen.


Bode, not so good?? The horse damn near won the race.
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: Silver Charm on May 05, 2013, 10:31:09 AM
I had forgotten about Departing who ran a huge race in Illinois as a fresh new addition.

Interesting.story from when I was on the backside on Wednesday morning. I was trying to find the Barn Shug was in and as I turned a corner I saw Al Stall and asked him which one was  Shugs Barn. He replied \"its 43 just keep going in the direction you are .going and when you get there you will find the horse you need on Saturday too\".....
Title: Re: Orb Toyed With This Field
Post by: MO on May 05, 2013, 10:34:55 AM
I think the best horse won, but Castellano moved a bit too soon, cost him 3rd, maybe 2nd.