Will these races affect the top 20? Covello still top 20...you going?
Last Derby trial winner I remember, Don\'t Get Mad, no lasix that ran in the Derby. Am I correct?
Surely a LExington Winner would consider? Maybe Pletcher has one more in his barn that can do it....the big days he seems to be part of the sequence....nearly 1-2 at Blue Grass but hot Kee spring trainer (2011) and this year McPeek took him down...sort of...but he took the Ark Derby.
Wow, Pletcher is just a really, really good trainer. I dislike what he has done to racing. Where are all of his Derby starters a year later.....retired to stud. It\'s a joke what he does to racing....the exact words of my closest racing friend.
On another note, Taptowne\'s owners are Fairmount guys, homebred...they\'ve had several offers including a Dutrow owner his spring 3yo year....sticking with him through 3 trainers and wow, what a huge race today.....they told me he was sitting on a big one and I just didn\'t believe them after all the times they said he was sitting on a big one. Congrats to them. Not to TAP.
A win is only worth 20 points, so the winner would need to already have at least 10 and more earnings that Falling Sky in order to bump him out of 20th place. Even if that were to happen, history tells us that at least one in the top 20 will come up with some sort of training (or last race recently discovered) injury before the race, so I think Falling Sky should be in if they want to go either way.
Casse was quoted on Keeneland website yesterday stating Uncaptured would return to Toronto and not return for the Derby.
Hey Cov,
Sky ran a gutty race..Is there a huge cost to enter the Derby? You have to be looking at the preakness if you don\'t go to the derby..He will probably have the lead at the top of the stretch of either race...
I agree, I thought Falling Sky looked good - hope they get to go to Derby if they wish, I think the horse rates. Good luck, Cov.
Derby fever painting a different picture today from Casse?
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"The only thing that was hurt was their pride -- and ours," Casse said with a chuckle. "Dynamic Sky will go to Woodbine, but I am not sure about Uncaptured. I thought Uncaptured had the perfect trip and Miguel (Mena) had him right where he needed to be.
"But Uncaptured ran so well in his first start back (a runner-up finish in the Grade 3 Horseshoe Casino Cincinnati Racing Spiral Stakes on March 23 at Turfway Park) that I was concerned he might regress a little bit. That might have been part of it." ...
Guys,
Thanks so much for all of the great thoughts.
It was certainly an exciting stretch run yesterday.
I sure wish that we didn\'t have to give up the 4 pds to the 2nd and 3rd place finishers.
I also think we over thought things just a bit as the rail seemed dead earlier in the card so we told Martin to stay in the 3 path but then the rail seemed to wake up later in the card so we wound up giving up alot weight and alot of ground.
The final time was obviously slow but Overanalyze and Falling Sky both carried 5 pds more than Cyber Secret and gave up considerable ground compared to Cyber Secret who rode the rail so if Cyber Secret paired his 0 with the ground loss and the weight, it would seem like Overanalyze ran a good figure and that Falling Sky might have paired again but I will leave that to the pros to calculate.
So far, the horse has come of the race well, he\'s on the van back to Churchill now.
I have partners on the horse so we will have to reach a consensus and we haven\'t discussed it yet but I certainly want to go to the Derby.
Thanks again to everyone for the awesome thoughts
Awesome day yesterday and an awesome game!
For those of you on Twitter, I recommend sending @OaklawnRacing a tweet and let them know they need to fix the weights thing. Really makes no sense whatsoever.
What a pair!
He had absolutely NO pressure on the winning putt. If he had putted first he would have lost. His history is shaky putting. Kudos to Cabrera for one of the greatest shots ever on 18.
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> He had absolutely NO pressure on the winning putt.
> If he had putted first he would have lost. His
> history is shaky putting. Kudos to Cabrera for
> one of the greatest shots ever on 18.
Are you suggesting that if he had putted first, he would have three putted the hole, or for some reason, Cabrera then would have sunk the putt, because I\'m not sure how else he would have lost on that hole? On your premise that his history would dictate the outcome, that virtually insures there would be pressure on that putt, because if he didn\'t make it, they would go on to the next hole and face the possibility of another collapse. If you want to say there was less pressure, fine. But, it\'s a sudden death play-off in the most prestigious golf tournament in the world, and he was up against both a tough-as-nails competitor and his own history. As Feherty might say, there was a shite-load of pressure on every shot.
I retract and clarify. Had he putted first I think he would have felt way more pressure. I did not mean to say he would have been vanquished. But surely the epic match might have continued. I merely thought that his winning putt was less stressful than most of his earlier missed short putts. He was in the garden spot and did not feel the vise like claws of defeat at that moment.
If Tiger doesn\'t doink that one off the flagstick on 15 on Friday and end up with a snowman after the improper drop penalty, he likely taps in for bird. A four shot swing that would have had him tied for the lead starting Sunday instead of chasing from behind.
Not a bad beat at all.
Karma for a guy that deserves all the bad luck he gets.
Agree. Plus he took an unfair advantage on the drop. A good guy would have DQd himself.
...would have been very interesting to see if Tiger decided to DQ himself (which was
never going to happen) how CBS would have reacted.
Have a feeling it somehow would have involved Jim Nantz on bended knee begging Tiger
to stay in the tourney.
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> ...would have been very interesting to see if
> Tiger decided to DQ himself (which was
> never going to happen) how CBS would have
> reacted.
>
> Have a feeling it somehow would have involved Jim
> Nantz on bended knee begging Tiger
> to stay in the tourney.
I would much rather Jim Nantz DQ himself. Is there a more overrated announcer??
P-Dub:
The man had a chance to call the Final Four and the Masters within a two week
period, so someone thinks he is doing something right.
His football work benefits from partnering with Phil Simms, probably the best
analyst in the business (and no I am not a Giant fan). I must temper this
appreciation of Simms by saying that I think some of the other ex player/analysts
(\"Moose\", \"Goose\" and Aikman) have set the bar pretty low.
Checking with Wikipedia, Nantz majored in broadcasting at the University of
Houston, where he played on the Golf team and roomed with Freddy Couples.
Also from Wikipedia, only two men have called a Super Bowl, a Masters and a Final
Four: Jim Nantz and Brent Musberger. For any of these events I would prefer the
former, even against the latter when he was in his prime.
Let me apply some quick analysis to your query as to whether there is a more
\"overrated\" announcer than Nantz: When you say someone is overrated, there are two
distinct implications: (a) A lot of people think this person is good; and (b) you
don\'t. You should avoid calling someone \"overrated\" because it implies (and you
are acknowledging) that plenty of folks (though not yourself) think the person is
pretty damn good. You are better off (semantically) just saying \"[Whoever] sucks.\"
Hard to imagine that the curmudgeons down at Augusta would allow anyone else to be
the lead man on the broadcast of the Masters; Nantz shows the club, the members
and the event a tremendous amount of respect, some of which might even be sincere.
Back to horse racing: I am starting a rumor that this will be the year that you
visit the Spa and see what all the east coast elitists are talking about...
richiebee Wrote:
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> P-Dub:
>
> The man had a chance to call the Final Four and
> the Masters within a two week
> period, so someone thinks he is doing something
> right.
Part of my reasoning for him being overrated is because he gets the plum assignments. Yes, someone who calls the shots thinks he\'s outstanding. Mike Battaglia called Churchill Downs for 20 years, so someone thought he was good too. He is considered by many as being awful. I doubt most around these parts would disagree, yet he called races at one of our premier race tracks for a long time. BTW, not saying Nantz is the Battaglia of tv broadcasters.
>
> His football work benefits from partnering with
> Phil Simms, probably the best
> analyst in the business (and no I am not a Giant
> fan). I must temper this
> appreciation of Simms by saying that I think some
> of the other ex player/analysts
> (\"Moose\", \"Goose\" and Aikman) have set the bar
> pretty low.
When comes to something as subjective as sport casting, opinions are all over the place. I love Gus Johnson, others can\'t stand him. Signed for big bucks with FOX. Agree about the guys you mentioned. There are guys doing lesser broadcasts far more insightful.
>
> Checking with Wikipedia, Nantz majored in
> broadcasting at the University of
> Houston, where he played on the Golf team and
> roomed with Freddy Couples.
Nantz is good doing interviews, and is good on a golf telecast. The pace of play lends itself to his style of broadcasting. He\'s not good, IMO, doing basketball or football. Thankfully Steve Kerr was added to the NCAA broadcast, the Nantz/Kellogg pairing can be a bit much. Kinda like me at times.
>
> Also from Wikipedia, only two men have called a
> Super Bowl, a Masters and a Final
> Four: Jim Nantz and Brent Musberger. For any of
> these events I would prefer the
> former, even against the latter when he was in his
> prime.
As for comparing him to Musberger, I\'ll take Brent every time if its a football or basketball. He\'s far better doing those sports than Nantz. Of course, my opinion only. Richie my man, you\'re killing me.
> Let me apply some quick analysis to your query as
> to whether there is a more
> \"overrated\" announcer than Nantz: When you say
> someone is overrated, there are two
> distinct implications: (a) A lot of people think
> this person is good; and (b) you
> don\'t. You should avoid calling someone
> \"overrated\" because it implies (and you
> are acknowledging) that plenty of folks (though
> not yourself) think the person is
> pretty damn good. You are better off
> (semantically) just saying \" sucks.\"
I\'ll take your advice and simply say.....Nantz Sucks.
> Hard to imagine that the curmudgeons down at
> Augusta would allow anyone else to be
> the lead man on the broadcast of the Masters;
> Nantz shows the club, the members
> and the event a tremendous amount of respect, some
> of which might even be sincere.
He does appear to suck up to some of those guys, but whatever works. Can\'t blame the guy for that.
>
> Back to horse racing: I am starting a rumor that
> this will be the year that you
> visit the Spa and see what all the east coast
> elitists are talking about...
My wife wants to go to the BC, I\'ll have to have a really good day at the track sometime to swing a Spa trip. When she hears Spa she thinks facial and massage, maybe I can fool her.
Richie, your posts always give me a laugh or something like that. Had a tough day today, especially after hearing about Boston. One of my dogs had a problem with her vision yesterday. Took her to an animal eye specialist, long story short...she has 2 detached retinas. Left eye been that way for awhile, right eye just finally went bad. She can only see light/dark, no objects. Watching her stumble around, bumping into things is tough. I know she will get used to her condition, but I feel so bad. She\'s a 6yo chihuahua mix - got her from a rescue as a puppy - and of my 3 dogs she\'s the one I have a soft spot for. Surgery an option but I don\'t think I want to go down that path for various reasons.
Sorry to make the TG board a place to tell about P-Dub\'s problems again, but just a bummer of a day. Positive part is that she can lead a happy and productive life, and is in no discomfort.
Richie as always I enjoy your posts. I needed a good smile. Steph a couple 3\'s from the record, A\'s playing well, and its Derby season. Good stuff. (Don\'t you dare mention....you know)
You would appreciate Nantz much more in the NCAA BBALL telecasts if he wasn\'t paired with the screaming, hollering Kellogg. He fits the definition of the worst.
P-Dub Wrote:
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>
> As for comparing him to Musberger, I\'ll take Brent
> every time if its a football or basketball. He\'s
> far better doing those sports than Nantz.
Well, if there was a match race, you\'d certainly get generous odds.
Richiebee wrote:
Hard to imagine that the curmudgeons down at Augusta would allow anyone else to be the lead man on the broadcast of the Masters; Nantz shows the club, the members and the event a tremendous amount of respect, some of which might even be sincere.
P-Dub wrote:
He does appear to suck up to some of those guys, but whatever works. Can\'t blame the guy for that.
My understanding is that Nantz is contractually obligated to be at least that much of a suckup. If he falls below that level he is subject to a full-body bikini wax at Amen Corner in front of thousands of angry patrons.
Augusta approves all announcers. A few years ago , on a Masters telecast, Gary McCord said the greens were so fast it looked like they were coated with bikini wax. He also said the mounds in the greens looked suspiciously like body bags were buried underneath. That was the last Masters he ever worked.