Just came home to find a Letter Alerting me that on August 3rd Twinspires was HACKED and peoples names, Social Security #\'s, date of birth, email addresses and your mothers maiden name were stolen. Another words you are F\'ed!!!!
If it was this easy to get in there and get this I wonder about Bets???
They are providing a years worth of Identity Theft Protection, Fraud Protection, Private Investigator and Legal Services along with lost wages, notary fees and unauthorized funds transfers. I feel better already.....
Me too, just got my notice. Mine didn\'t say maiden name was involved.
What is cryptographically hashed social security?? If someone has these, how easy is it to figure out what the SSN is?? I don\'t feel real good about this.
I just got off the phone with Twinspires and they verified accounts were hacked. If you received a letter in the mail then your account was affected and personal info was stolen. My account was not affected but I\'d be very upset if it were. Unbelievable that this happenened.
It means the social security number is obscured so it cannot be read.
Thanks Sight.
Wasn\'t sure if there was a way for a smart guy to figure out the numbers even though they are obscured.
A good cryptographer can decode the #\'s. They coded #\'s are not obscured from view from the inside. Someone just needs to crack the code.
Is there any way they can obtain access to the funds in your account??
What about the accounts linked to Twin Spires??
NO!!!
Separate file area and that file area was not penetrated. I double checked since that area includes your Bank Acct # and Routing #.
You would think TwinSpires would give at least a $50 Rebate to continue doing business with them. This Experian thing might not stop the Lawsuits!!
What\'s really crazy is CD is downplaying the event. Should we close the accounts? Do they have any clue what\'s at risk, do they care?
This has the fingerprints of Lisbeth Salander all over it.
Actually, if there was a real Lisbeth involved, all accounts would have been zeroed out by now. Fortunately, I see that my $3.50 nest egg is still secure.
Wrongly Wrote:
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> What\'s really crazy is CD is downplaying the
> event. Should we close the accounts? Do they
> have any clue what\'s at risk, do they care?
This.
Its as if its a minor blip and all is well. Its not.
I haven\'t even heard from them. Only info I got is what everyone is posting.
If you didnt\'t receive a notification, then your account is safe. Twinspires really doesn\'t care, my opinion after getting off the phone with them.
Time to move to a new wagering account. They continously shut down on Derby Day. The year Big Brown won the Derby, I carefully crafted my trifecta and superfecta wagers for optimum return and nailed both big time. My profit was 0 dollars! The website locked up and I had made the mistake of not having another way to wager since I was out of town. I heard they locked up again this year and now this. The next time I deal with Twinspires will be at the Kentucky Derby in person. Twinspires will be in my pictures and thats it. Good luck to all who stay. They aren\'t the only game in town.
Twinspires is too busy sending out press releases about a bettor who supposedly selected a 500k pick 6 by betting on his favorite names. Maybe if all you guys can prove that you don\'t actually take the handicapping process seriously and you are \'hat pin joe\' and pick your numbers thru telekinesis, they might take you more seriously.
Interesting they waited until Saratoga and Del Mar closed before they notified anyone of the breach.
Got the letter in the mail today - what are the odds of the encryption being decoded? This seems pretty serious. Experts on this type of issue on the board what do you think? (not referring to finding another wagering service - what does this mean about our information stolen, in particular the social security number?)
bb
A lot of people are getting these letters. So many, that I suspect the 20% figure is a lowball.
And waiting so long to reveal the intrusion is pretty bogus.
Why doesn\'t a wagering site come on here and offer some incentives for us to switch??? The most attractive feature of Twinspires is the EZ$$$ deposit in my opinion. Otherwise I\'d switch. As a business owner I see the oppurtunity for someone to prosper of this eror and why not give us some incentive to switch sites. TW needs to credit customers with some $$$$ as good faith!!!!
banditbeau Wrote:
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> Experts on this type of issue on the board what
> do you think? (not referring to finding another
> wagering service - what does this mean about our
> information stolen, in particular the social
> security number?)
>
> bb
I\'ve been in IT for over 30 years, have confronted
data security and privacy issues endlessly, and...
IMO, we are losing the battle: IT folks (application
developers) tend to think about this issue during
design and after a breach, while the hackers don\'t
ever quit. We used to do a better job with app
security, but the business world no longer tolerates
development cycles that take months; they want new
apps in weeks.
\"Quality, Speed, Low Cost...pick any two\" is a rather
common sign you can find hanging in most IT development
shops. The last place I worked as a project leader had
an unofficial slogan: \"Never Time to Do It Right; Always
Time to Do It Over\". I have been tinkering with creating
a metric that can be used to assess a given development
project, and rate its chances for success; I call it
\"ELF: Expected Level of Filth\".
As far as your SSN is concerned, forget it: that horse
left the barn ages ago. If I know your real name, where
you live, and your approximate age, I have enough info
to piece together a query to one of the many info search
companies on the Internet that will tell me your Social
Security Number, Drivers License number, etc. (no bank
accounts or other financial data...yet).
All I have to do is pay a fee, and check a box that says
I am willing to \"suffer the pains and penalties of perjury\",
or some such, if I don\'t promise to use the data in a
non-intrusive or confidential way. That should be enough
to make everyone feel safe and secure, right?
Riiiight.
Rick B. Wrote:
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> banditbeau Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Experts on this type of issue on the board what
> > do you think? (not referring to finding
> another
> > wagering service - what does this mean about
> our
> > information stolen, in particular the social
> > security number?)
> >
> > bb
>
> I\'ve been in IT for over 30 years, have
> confronted
> data security and privacy issues endlessly,
> and...
> IMO, we are losing the battle: IT folks
> (application
> developers) tend to think about this issue during
> design and after a breach, while the hackers
> don\'t
> ever quit. We used to do a better job with app
> security, but the business world no longer
> tolerates
> development cycles that take months; they want
> new
> apps in weeks.
>
> \"Quality, Speed, Low Cost...pick any two\" is a
> rather
> common sign you can find hanging in most IT
> development
> shops. The last place I worked as a project leader
> had
> an unofficial slogan: \"Never Time to Do It Right;
> Always
> Time to Do It Over\". I have been tinkering with
> creating
> a metric that can be used to assess a given
> development
> project, and rate its chances for success; I call
> it
> \"ELF: Expected Level of Filth\".
>
> As far as your SSN is concerned, forget it: that
> horse
> left the barn ages ago. If I know your real name,
> where
> you live, and your approximate age, I have enough
> info
> to piece together a query to one of the many info
> search
> companies on the Internet that will tell me your
> Social
> Security Number, Drivers License number, etc. (no
> bank
> accounts or other financial data...yet).
>
> All I have to do is pay a fee, and check a box
> that says
> I am willing to \"suffer the pains and penalties of
> perjury\",
> or some such, if I don\'t promise to use the data
> in a
> non-intrusive or confidential way. That should be
> enough
> to make everyone feel safe and secure, right?
>
> Riiiight.
Rick,
For those of us that have had their information breached, what next??
Am I at risk for the rest of my life for identity theft?? What steps should we take to monitor this? What are some of the things that can happen to us that had this happen?? What recourse do we have against TS in the event something happens??
Paul,
Even if the credit card number was encrypted,cancel that card # and get a new one from the issuer.
Notify the three credit bureaus that you had personal info compromised and they will put a fraud alert up.
Anyone who has ever had their SS number stolen is at risk for having cards/loans fraudulently opened.While you will NOT be financially responsible, the hassle is substantial, been there!
Do it now and monitor your credit card mailings and your credit reports to check for possible new accounts that you did not open.
Morons at CD taking this way too lightly or are too stupid to understand the possible problems for those whose info compromised.
Mike
miff Wrote:
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> Paul,
>
> Even if the credit card number was
> encrypted,cancel that card # and get a new one
> from the issuer.
>
> Notify the three credit bureaus that you had
> personal info compromised and they will put a
> fraud alert up.
>
> Anyone who has ever had their SS number stolen is
> at risk for having cards/loans fraudulently
> opened.While you will NOT be financially
> responsible, the hassle is substantial, been
> there!
>
> Do it now and monitor your credit card mailings
> and your credit reports to check for possible new
> accounts that you did not open.
>
> Morons at CD taking this way too lightly or are
> too stupid to understand the possible problems for
> those whose info compromised.
>
>
> Mike
Thanks Mike, I\'ll cancel asap and get another one.
Did the fraud alert thing with the company TS set us up with for protection.
Appreciate the advice.
miff Wrote:
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> Paul,
>
> Even if the credit card number was
> encrypted,cancel that card # and get a new one
> from the issuer.
>
> Notify the three credit bureaus that you had
> personal info compromised and they will put a
> fraud alert up.
>
> Anyone who has ever had their SS number stolen is
> at risk for having cards/loans fraudulently
> opened.While you will NOT be financially
> responsible, the hassle is substantial, been
> there!
>
> Do it now and monitor your credit card mailings
> and your credit reports to check for possible new
> accounts that you did not open.
>
> Morons at CD taking this way too lightly or are
> too stupid to understand the possible problems for
> those whose info compromised.
>
>
> Mike
All good stuff, Mike.
One extra tip that I will share: open \"throwaway\"
accounts / cards, etc., if you are doing any sort
of business online.
I have a throwaway e-mail address, PO Box, Credit
Card, and Checking / Savings account. Suggest you
do the last two through your local credit union,
usually low or no cost (fees).
Due to the Patriot Act, you must supply your home
address to open credit card and other accounts, but
I make sure to put the PO Box down as the \"official\"
address whenever possible.
I keep the minimums in my credit union checking and
savings account ($0 checking, $50 savings) until I
need to pay a bill or fund my ADW account -- only
then do I transfer any money into the credit union.
I don\'t leave the money in there very long, and I
move pretty much the exact amount I need.
(I was paying a fee for transfers until it dawned on
me to open a sleeper account at the credit union --
one that I DO NOT disclose on the Internet, and I have
parked a decent chunk of money there. Transfers between
credit union accounts are free at my place, and can be
done with a simple phone call.)
The credit card is really a no-fee debit card linked
directly to the credit union checking account, but it
looks and act like a credit card. The limit? Whatever
is in the checking account NOW...and that\'s it.
The Internet has never seen anything relating to my
primary bank account or everyday credit cards. The way
I have things set up, if my \"Internet use only\" accounts
or debit / credit card are breached, 99.9999% of the time,
they can only get me for the $50 I am required to leave
in the savings account. If they beat me out of $50, I won\'t
like it...but I can live with it.
This approach can create certain hardships, like not
being able to fund my ADW after 12 noon on a Saturday
(credit union is closed), or not being able to sign up
for a porn site at 2 AM on Labor Day, or not being able to
buy (even more) shit off of e-Bay that I don\'t need, but
I\'ve learned to live with it, in return for the peace of
mind that keeping my financial pants pulled up and unsoiled
gives me.
Sounds like a PITA to set up, but it\'s not that bad. It\'s
your money; make it hard to get.
I talked with someone who is very much in the know and they did take it very seriously. There was the initial discovery process once the breach was discovered.
But here is where it gets hairy. The biggest concern was if they went public with the issue during a peak part of the season...August....they would lose business!! The idea of temporarly shutting the Site down until they had a handle on things was quickly ditched. Again business would be lost and accounts moved that would.never come back. The fact that Customers could be getting unknowingly victimized without notification was deemed to be the Customers problem not theirs. So the solution was to remain quiet and wait until a slower part of the season before notifying anyone.
Lastly if someone does have an Identity Theft Abuse occur. TwinSpires is standing by the Policy that it must be proven the perpatraitor was from the TwinSpires HACK! If you cant you are on your own. Their defense is \"it wasnt us\".....
TVG and Xpressbet have the EZ deposit and withdraw as well.
Next question - Twin Spires has offered \"ProtectMyID\" but they want your social security also - online??? What is the best advice for this?? bb
There is a service you can purchase online, who has your information and every time you sign onto a site (including this one, eBay, whatever) it encrypts everything, so no site but that one ever gets your real information. It is always encrypted, and always goes through the protection site.
Can\'t remember the name - I don\'t think it\'s Protect My ID. Would be interested in IT guys take on that service - and do you know the name?
I like the idea of the throwaway checking/savings. Good idea.
So I gotta question. How come this is not the biggest story in the industry right now, coverage everywhere.
Maybe someone asked someone to sit on the story.
TGJB Wrote:
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> So I gotta question. How come this is not the
> biggest story in the industry right now, coverage
> everywhere.
I\'m shocked it isn\'t.
I\'ve looked around and have found practically nothing. A few message boards are talking about it, saw nothing on the DRF site. Incredible. This is huge news.
\"So I gotta question. How come this is not the biggest story in the industry right now, coverage everywhere\"
....well
1)It\'s a voiceless player issue and no one got robbed!
2.Because Joe Dope et al are too busy \"investigating\" stats on trainers with multiple class 3 and 4 pico positives or the inane lasix thing.
3.CD will downplay the crap out of it so that it goes away asap(when did CD know and when did they inform their customers?)
The bigger picture here, again, is that a $13 billion gambling business is run by mainly lightweights in all areas.Acknowledge that the computers geeks can hack into many things you would never expect but would also expect world class security on a betting site.
Miff-- I agree and 3 is a very big deal.
I made a call after posting, the industry publication I talked to wasn\'t really aware of what was going on. I directed them to this string, we\'ll see where this goes from here.
Now that you mention it, it\'s freaking unbelievable that Drape isn\'t covering this.
Still seeing a lot more \'hits\' than 20% would justify. Either they have a huge membership or they lowballed the #.
Don\'t forget to put that fraud alert on your account, it takes a few minutes to do online. Yes, online. lasts for 90 days at a time, then you have to renew.
Should reduce the chance of someone opening an account in your name, if attempted.
Of course, the bad guys may well sit on info for a long time until the \'heat\' is off.
I say go to CT OTB, plus you get a rebate for TG sheets, been there for over 20 yrs. I live in CT and can get money in/out in a split second. However, there is no online access only phone, never been shut out, and there is a push button betting no phone option, although its cumbersome.
Agree on the 20% number - seems to be much higher. Playing a different angle with this thought which could be totally out in right field but... I am curious how many of you that got the notice actually \"use\" their account there for actual wagering as in the bulk of their wagers vs how many only use the account to watch the races there and then make their wagers some other place or method? Could it be a way for Twin Spires to sort of weed out their low volume accounts, and thus, since they wager very little, not feel the urgency to inform account holders of the intrusion? Sounds crazy but so does not informing people for a month their data was violated. They picked up a number of Youbet accounts who maybe did not wager much also. So, it does not justify how it has/is being handled, but am curious as to the level of play for those receiving the notices? bb
Taking the other side of that argument. If you were a Whale Player how would you feel if you were notifed of a Penetration and Breach of their Security Walls and you kept $10,000\'s of thousands of $dollars$ on account there??? What would you do next??
Secondly if TwinSpires told you your Account wasnt Violated in the Attack and your Identity was subsequently stolen, how could you prove it was because of the Twin Spires intrusion??
I know I know. Its because their word said it wasnt......
banditbeau Wrote:
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> Agree on the 20% number - seems to be much higher.
> Playing a different angle with this thought which
> could be totally out in right field but... I am
> curious how many of you that got the notice
> actually \"use\" their account there for actual
> wagering as in the bulk of their wagers vs how
> many only use the account to watch the races there
> and then make their wagers some other place or
> method? Could it be a way for Twin Spires to sort
> of weed out their low volume accounts, and thus,
> since they wager very little, not feel the urgency
> to inform account holders of the intrusion?
> Sounds crazy but so does not informing people for
> a month their data was violated. They picked up a
> number of Youbet accounts who maybe did not wager
> much also. So, it does not justify how it has/is
> being handled, but am curious as to the level of
> play for those receiving the notices? bb
I churn thousands a month, and wager there exclusively.
I don\'t care what percentage of accounts have \"low volume\". That shouldn\'t have any bearing on letting people know information was breached.
Just reading today\'s edition of Indian Charlie and they make mention of how it took the ONE MONTH to report it by mail and was sent by Experian and NOT CDI. Of course this is all known but I find it funny that Indian Charlie is writing about it and not the DRF.
DRF should cover the hacking but far more sexy for DRF to be writing about 26 nano positives of a class 4 legal med,prednisone(used by many,many trainers as preventive for lung mucous.Many vets recommend it,Sight??
New super test picked up the overage,old test not as sensitive.A discussion to eliminate class 4\'s as a positive at all being looked at in several jurisdictions in light of the terrible perception of racing vs the benefit of the drug.This another example of the overuse of therapeutics,so change the rules already and stop permitting the legal regimen used by the super trainer.
Joe Dope on a plane with his investigative team heading for Chicago to cover this profound \"doping\" finding.The Twin Spires hacking story has no legs and is not sexy enough!
Joe Dope. Hilarious. Racing has no one to blame for this but it\'s own inability to impose any discipline whatsoever on anyone.
Dutrow, 52, has been cited for nearly 70 violations at 15 racetracks in nine states.
You want to see change? Start throwing these guys our already. I suppose ALL of these violations are insignificant or nano-whatevers. Just like Mullins.
HP
\"I suppose ALL of these violations are insignificant or nano-whatevers. Just like Mullins.
HP,
Close,most are nano/pico non performing enhancing whatevers. The more serious Class 1 and 2, which are rare at major circuits, are dealt with more forcefully.What Class 1/2 violations did Mullins get?, missed those.
We could also start jailing people for jay walking or spitting on the sidewalk while racing throws out the repeat Class 3/4 offenders.Or, they could just not make nano/pico overages violations any more, they\'ve done that with several drug type overages in the past.
Whatever floats your boat.
Mike
They haven\'t thrown ONE person out. They don\'t enforce suspensions. I know, it\'s all aspirin. Nothing important. Blame Joe Drape. Good luck.
HP
HP,
Ok lets play, name the person at a major circuit, that should be thrown out and why.The floor is yours!
Mike
Pdub-- Right. And the fact that someone might think they have to move their money is exactly why you are obligated to tell them.
At some point there will be serious investigative reporting on this story and it will be interesting to see what the fallout is. Pretty sure CD isn\'t going to say \"we didn\'t tell customers they were in jeopardy because that would have cost us money\", though.
I gave you a name in my post. Dutrow. You\'re reading these right? Or maybe you just go \"auto pilot\" and advocate letting everything slide, blaming Joe Drape, and talking about how none of these findings are significant. How many more violations would you need to see on Dutrow? Maybe you\'re waiting for him to get nailed in all 50 states?
RACING DOES NOTHING. EVER.
HP
I heard they are going to come down hard on Mrs. Shanahan. She tested positive for Cosmopolitans. So far, only banned from the West Side of Manhattan.
HP,
Nailed is Class 1/2, imo, 3\'s and 4\'s?.There are hundreds of horses, more, that received shots of prednisone and 40+ other legal drugs this morning.Thats what it takes to keep some of the horses with issues going.
Chicago has more to do with the very improved super testing which is picking up irrelevant positives.Read the article in DRF,no purses redistributed,no days!
To me,Joe Drape proved in his writings that,at the very least he\'s misinformed(being kind), was subsequently called out by the highly respected DR.Bramlege and crawled under a rock since.Who cares about New Mexico quarter horse racing anyway??
Never said Joe Drape had anything to do with racings drug problems only that his biased articles spread a false perception of racings illegal drug problem vs it\'s reality.Thats fashionable now, look at what they have you believing, guys should be banned for non performance enhancing violations.
Mike
seeing nothing on the chdn stock feed about this and the price hasnt reacted at all as far as I can tell.
like it didnt happen.
maybe \'cause its just a bunch of degenerate horseplayers.
HP,
Brand new,may want to send to Joe Drape, maybe future articles will be closer to the mark.
Mike
Association of Racing Commissioners International, Inc.
Uniform Classification Guidelines for Foreign Substances
Revised September 2012
Classification Definitions
Class 1: Stimulant and depressant drugs that have the highest potential to affect performance and that have no generally accepted medical use in the racing horse. Many of these agents are Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) schedule II substances. These include the following drugs and their metabolites: Opiates, opium derivatives, synthetic opioids and psychoactive drugs, amphetamines and amphetamine-like drugs as well as related drugs, including but not limited to apomorphine, nikethamide, mazindol, pemoline, and pentylenetetrazol. Though not used as therapeutic agents, all DEA Schedule 1 agents are included in Class 1 because they are potent stimulant or depressant substances with psychotropic and often habituative actions.
Class 2: Drugs that have a high potential to affect performance, but less of a potential than drugs in Class 1. These drugs are 1) not generally accepted as therapeutic agents in racing horses, or 2) they are therapeutic agents that have a high potential for abuse. Drugs in this class include: psychotropic drugs, certain nervous system and cardiovascular system stimulants, depressants, and neuromuscular blocking agents. Injectable local anesthetics are included in this class because of their high potential for abuse as nerve blocking agents.
Class 3: Drugs that may or may not have generally accepted medical use in the racing horse, but the pharmacology of which suggests less potential to affect performance than drugs in Class 2. Drugs in this class include bronchodilators, anabolic steroids and other drugs with primary effects on the autonomic nervous system, procaine, antihistamines with sedative properties and the high-ceiling diuretics.
Class 4: This class includes therapeutic medications that would be expected to have less potential to affect performance than those in Class 3. Drugs in this class includes less potent diuretics; corticosteroids; antihistamines and skeletal muscle relaxants without prominent central nervous system (CNS) effects; expectorants and mucolytics; hemostatics; cardiac glycosides and anti-arrhythmics; topical anesthetics; antidiarrheals and mild analgesics. This class also includes the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), at concentrations greater than established limits.
Class 5: This class includes those therapeutic medications for which concentration limits have been established by the racing jurisdictions as well as certain miscellaneous agents and other medications as determined by the regulatory bodies. Included specifically are agents that have very localized actions only, such as anti-ulcer drugs, and certain anti-allergic drugs. The anticoagulant drugs are also included.
Miff - You said \"who should get thrown out\" and I said DUTROW. I asked if you were waiting for him to have violations in all 50 states. Two lengthy posts from you and NOT A WORD about what I said. You don\'t even PRETEND to listen. Just repeat yourself over and over again. Did I ask you for a class by class definition of violations?
You and racing are a good fit. People don\'t care about these distinctions on Class 1 and whatever. Guy has 70 VIOLATIONS. How do you get past that?
You love your own noise.
HP
HP,
You just don\'t have a clue about the subject of drugs,class of violations and who should or should not be banned and WHY!
Dutrow, not even close, your skirt is showing.
Mike
Okey doke. You\'re the expert. Having Dutrow around will do you a world of good. Keep up the \"Joe Dope\" stuff. That never gets old.
HP
How did this turn into a thread about tricky? Did he have a twinspires account, or maybe he\'s suspected of hacking them.
Miff hijacked the thread to make his perennial \"joe dope\" point. I think talking about Dutrow on this thread is fine because he hurts every element of the game, but Miff is the one who threw this into left field because he...has to do this...for some reason.
HP
DRF should cover the hacking but far more sexy for DRF to be writing about 26 nano positives of a class 4 legal med,prednisone(used by many,many trainers as preventive for lung mucous.Many vets recommend it,Sight??
New super test picked up the overage,old test not as sensitive.A discussion to eliminate class 4\'s as a positive at all being looked at in several jurisdictions in light of the terrible perception of racing vs the benefit of the drug.This another example of the overuse of therapeutics,so change the rules already and stop permitting the legal regimen used by the super trainer.
Joe Dope on a plane with his investigative team heading for Chicago to cover this profound \"doping\" finding.The Twin Spires hacking story has no legs and is not sexy enough!
That\'s enough, guys. Only reason I\'m not going back and deleting a bunch of posts is I\'m lazy and busy (bad combintation).
Don\'t know where to plug my question in so I just picked one after the site host.
I\'m obviously not a regular poster here but do read the board occasionally and do have a Twinspires account that was hacked.
My question is how many of you that had accounts hacked are longstanding members of TS? I\'ve been with them with them all the way back to the AmericaTab days, likely a dozen years or more. Could it be that the accounts effected are those that were carried over from other wagering sites, like AmericaTab, and more recent ones were not?
Thanks and appreciate all the info found here.
Metro,
Been with about 3 years or so, and my account was affected.
find me someone who\'s account WASN\'T affected.
I won\'t consider this a serious issue until I see Ken Sherman link an article about it on the Ragozin board.
For what it\'s worth, I called Twinspires. They told me the accounts affected were older ones. I asked specifically how old. They said it affected accounts in existence as of 2009.
msola1 Wrote:
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> For what it\'s worth, I called Twinspires. They
> told me the accounts affected were older ones. I
> asked specifically how old. They said it affected
> accounts in existence as of 2009.
Thanks for sharing your info P-Dub and msola.
Interesting that they say 20% were affected, guess that means that 80% or their account holders have been with them less than 3 years, kind of hard to believe.
fwiw those of you who only use Twinspires for the video feed should check out DRFbets.com, best video feed and replay service I have seen for an ADW site.
I agree with metroj...DRFbets has excellent video streamimg.
What is their fee structure? bb
banditbeau Wrote:
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> What is their fee structure? bb
No fees, just the WORST rebate schedule in the business,
AFAIK.
If I remember correctly, 10,000 points gets you $10,
with bets on CDI-owned tracks generating 2 points per
dollar wagered; all others are 1 for 1.
Their live toteboard, live video and race replays are
all free when a minimum activity level is reached. All
are decent. (Race replays can be tricky to call up at
times -- the process is not intuitive,)
Brisnet Ultimate PP\'s and a tout sheet are $3 and $5,
respectively, but if you make a wager on the track(s)
for which you have downloaded these handicapping products,
they are FREE...so, I download what I want, make a 10
cent superfecta bet for each track I am playing...and
then give my action to a place that pays a REAL rebate.
And I cold-decked a super at Hoosier that paid $450 from
one of those 10 cent bets, so I\'m ahead for life on free
handicapping stuff from Twin Spires. They can stick their
crappy rebate.
I must be one of the lucky ones I have had my Twinspires account since they opened for business and I did not get a letter.
Salute the General Wrote:
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> I must be one of the lucky ones I have had my
> Twinspires account since they opened for business
> and I did not get a letter.
Call them and ask them to check. I didn\'t get a letter either but when I called to make sure they said my account was compromised also.
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> Salute the General Wrote:
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> > I must be one of the lucky ones I have had my
> > Twinspires account since they opened for
> business
> > and I did not get a letter.
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> Call them and ask them to check. I didn\'t get a
> letter either but when I called to make sure they
> said my account was compromised also.
Been getting a lot of phishing emails lately asking for me to send money for help in the Middle East. Requests for assistance due to poverty and requests to send money so that tons of money can be sent back to me. Don\'t know if it\'s related but I have rarely gotten these before but I have gotten about 10 of them over the past week, 4 this weekend alone from different email addresses. Just wanted to give everyone a heads up.