Started a new thread since most of the Liason thread is on Willy Beamin. Even with the pace scenario very favorable for Willy I couldn\'t project a number higher than his 2 top on short rest. I figured a 0 was needed to win. Willy seemed a stretch to me. Great responses from all to yesterdays card questions.
He\'ll be cross entered in 3 Breeders Cup races but will only race in 2.
Riccio on Byk\'s show hour two Monday. Tearing them up.
http://www.mediafire.com/?k4w0llwpl60vypo
...there looks like only 5 going in the Woodward Saturday, wonder if PJ Campo has
called Tricky/Riccio yet...
richiebee Wrote:
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> ...there looks like only 5 going in the Woodward
> Saturday, wonder if PJ Campo has
> called Tricky/Riccio yet...
He\'ll prep for it with the Forego.
I take it all back. Good training job. Bad handicapping.
jerry Wrote:
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> I take it all back. Good training job. Bad
> handicapping.
Don\'t know if you are being tounge-in-cheek or not,
but your statement is much closer to the truth than
the old and tired \"I just can\'t win because of these
supertrainers and their drugs!\".
I can\'t stomach the excuse making anymore. Either
factor in the \"juicers\" (if that\'s what you truly
believe, then just bet \'em, right?)...or quit the
game outright.
We\'ve been waiting forever for \"the invisible hand\",
\"change\", etc. It ain\'t coming. Today\'s game IS the game.
I don\'t think it\'s about \"making excuses\" or any of that. Winning and losing is all part of the deal and there\'s a million reasons why you win and lose. There are plenty of times Dutrow\'s horses are overbet based on all of this and you can make money going against them. Giveth and taketh away. Not what I\'m thinking about at all.
The whole thing is just a freakin\' drag. You like something and someone has to hold a pillow over your face so you can\'t really enjoy it. There\'s not even a real effort to conceal it. Same guy. DECADES. Anybody who has gone to a track in New York has seen it forever, over and over again. Come on. Just a total joke. In Vegas they make A LOT of effort to convince the paying customer the game is on the level. Did not catch on in racing.
It\'s getting to be like watching...WRESTLING. WWF. Enjoy the money and more power to you if you are able to look at it your way. Walking away Saturday...it just had nothing to do with winning or losing. Just turning something great into a DRAG.
HP
I don\'t want to think too hard about the pillow thing...
I read an article that trainers/vets are injecting frog juice into their horses as a way of pain killer. I guess it\'s the poison the frog uses to kill its prey??? Trainers are using it on their horses and its undetectable because its a natural animal secretion. An article about Willie Beamin today suggested Dutrow is using the \"Frog Juice\"?
I understand the notion that you can handicap perceived cheaters, but I\'ve never been able to figure out what it is exactly that you handicap, apart from the trainer change angle.
In \"The Sopranos\" there\'s that episode where Tony kills Christopher after the car accident? Car flips over and Christopher is all messed up and tells Tony he won\'t pass the drug test? And Tony clamps his fingers over his nose and mouth to help it along? Suffocates him? Think of that instead. If it helps. That\'s what watching that guy in the winners circle is like for racing in NY. Farce.
HP
I\'m all for getting rid of the cheaters, but poor Willy winning the other day might not be the best poster boy for the cause.
Unless you discount his entire win streak post tricky as some abomination, the Grade 1 win was not all that much of a stretch, seen much bigger surprises than that , and they didn\'t get a second look.
I\'d really like to get a comment from the previous trainer, and see what he thinks. Any chance of that ?
I mean , what does he say to the owners that lost the horse for 25k?
No habla le juica
I meant it. Now, do we put him in the same class as the mad doctor Michael Dickinson?
It\'s called dermorphin and they have a test for it. A few horses in Louisiana and Texas have tested positive.
You\'re right. The real mystery isn\'t the Kings Bishop. It\'s the jump up from running 7s to running 2s (or better).
\"I mean...people swim every day in the Olympics. Why not run horses every day.\"
Olympic swimmers train twice a day 7 days a week for years and compete 4-5 times a year in multi day meets.
They also are super drug tested and required to declare any and all mediactions etc... that are put into their body as well as given a published list of banned substances. This goes for all USA or international swimmers at the NCAA and even regional age group competion levels.
Oh yeah, there is not parimutual wagering on swimming!
Frank D.
Frank. I hear you. That post was my favorite Jim Riccio quote from the Steve Byk interview.
\"It\'s called dermorphin and they have a test for it\"
Little known,Dr. George Maylin head of drug testing for the NYSRWB,created a test with U Penn(think) for detecting dermorphin(also cobra venom back when).NY owners/trainers were unaware the test existed and was being used(hear NYRA was not informed either).During a period of a few months there were no positives in NY.After a while months it became common knowledge that NY tested for dermorphin.
What testers will never say publicly is that there is no way to stop rouge chemists from producing synthetic PED\'s(the magic bullet) for which there will be no test/detection until it\'s existence is discovered,like dermorphin.
Super testing sounds great but it\'s a PR exercise,testers know it but are trying to deflect the horrific perception of the game by the general public.Thieving trainers/owners are also aware that if they have the magic bullet, they are not going to get detected and may even be switching to new stuff all the time in case a test is made, like dermorphin.