Watching this report sans Bob Ley but with Joe Drape the professional Jeannine Edwards and its not a good marketing report. 23 and 18 is not a Stat Line for Lebron James last night but how many horses died at Aqueuct over the Winter. Drape raising Doug ONeil suspicions about the IHA scratch with the additional NY Licensing scrutiny for a Trainer so maybe O\'Neil didnt want to comply because of a potential of something being found. Then we have a Jeannine Report that indicates Winter Racing at Aqe is a sausage factory.
Thank god for boxing today. The Sport needs a bigger black eye than theirs right now.....
Silver
Joe Dope making a fool of himself inferring the scratch of IHA was possibly something other than the injured tendon.No less than a zillion eyes saw the puffy left tendon,Dope obviously without a clue in that regard too.
Possible Dope is posting here as one of the conspiracy idiots.
Mike
\"Possible Dope is posting here as one of the conspiracy idiots.\"
Also possible that he has been sent here from the planet Zarooloo, to destroy our favorite equine sport and also to abscond with some of our best-looking women, to have them live out their days as Zaroolooan cocktail waitresses, though I kinda doubt it.
miff Wrote:
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> Silver
>
> Joe Dope making a fool of himself inferring the
> scratch of IHA was possibly something other than
> the injured tendon.No less than a zillion eyes saw
> the puffy left tendon,Dope obviously without a
> clue in that regard too.
>
> Possible Dope is posting here as one of the
> conspiracy idiots.
>
> Mike
Don\'t get all worked up because the truth is starting to bubble. Again, if IHA had tested positive, if you think they would have publicly announced it, you\'re out of your mind.
Don\'t worry Miff.. Everything is on the up and up. Take the industry\'s word for it!
Sek,
\"The truth is starting to bubble\"
Exactly what truth would that be? On your point about a positive being covered up, just the opposite is true. NYSRWB Chief Sabini, a political transparent phony would have summoned every racing reporter on the planet.You do know that all testing in NY is conducted by Director Dr.George Maylin from the NYSRWB, the enemy of the horsemen and NYRA.
Mike
So - what day did they draw pre-race blood testing on IHA, Sekrah?
Is it possible IHA had this issue prior and they were dealing with it? Maybe after the Derby or maybe after the Preakness it surfaced. Bramlage could have been called in after a bad test to make it look like it was a physical problem.
When I say this in no way do I believe Bramlage acted any way but like he always has, that is upstanding and professional. But the first time he saw problem was Thursday or Friday.
If they tested bad it was a way out.You would have to wonder if the bad test came out that it would be catastrophic to the entire industry.Thus,not announced by the governing bodies.
I am not saying this happened, but with all that can happen in this game it does cause me to wonder.
Interesting fodder for the Conspiracy People.Surprised me to learn that several horsemen at Belmont that observed IHA said they would have strongly considered running him.One who watched him for almost three weeks noted the tendon had looked very puffy on Friday compared to the weeks prior.
Goodrich recalls the back story of Majestic Prince, Belmont
June 7, 2012 by sidfernando
Wednesday night on Twitter, after following a discussion among fans speculating on I'll Have Another's physical condition for the Belmont, I made the following statements about Majestic Prince, the undefeated Derby and Preakness winner of 1969 as he entered the Belmont (all grammar as is from the 140-character model of Twitter):
In '69, Johnny Longden didn't want to run Frank McMahon's undefeated Derby, Preakness winner in Belmont as he was hurt. Owner insisted on going for TC. Majestic Prince ran 2d to Arts and Letters and never ran again, w record 10 starts, 9 wins. No championship, either."
Majestic Prince was a record-priced yearling by Raise a Native who lived up to his looks on the racetrack. Trained by ex-jock Johnny Longden and ridden by Bill Hartack, Majestic Prince like I'll Have Another was a chestnut from California who entered the Derby off a win in the Santa Anita Derby. Coincidentally both colts also wore Sure-Win bridles, but after that comparisons are harder to make.
He share with me some very intimate details about Northern Dancer & Iron Leige too.. As for Majestic Prince.. He absolutely loved the horse from the 1st time he ever got on him as a 2 yr old. The true story, from Bill to me was this: The horse came out of the Preakness with a tendon, a pretty significant strain. Longden didn't want to tell McMahon because he wanted 2be certain of the situation, he waited a week.
During that 1st week, he did not train one single day (of course) and the swelling in the tendon subsided with medication, ice and rest. Longden and Hartack were pretty close (2 pretty tough guys and fellow riders) & kept this very close to their vest bout the horses condition. After about 10-12 days (Hartacks recall) they took him out and galloped him as quietly as possible, which Bill said wasn't easy, and the tendon of course, popped right back up... So Longden rested him more and told the owner who sorta refused to believe the horse couldn't run in the Belmont. Thinking naively, ("they'd come so far!!) Longden kept working on the horses tendon (Johnny was a tough old horseman too).
Longden told Bill the horse was never gonna run again, and owner was going nuts. Longden (mostly)& Bill decided that if he was never gonna run again no matter what then they'd just kiss him into the Belmont, keep their fingers crossed – see if they could pull off the win. Johnny told Bill that the horse missing virtually all 3 weeks of training was going to make it very unlikely but the seeing the rest actually helping him coming of the Derby/Preakness... Longden and Bill were BOTH convinced that the horse would not breakdown, Bill said if he thought he would breakdown, he wouldn't have agreed to ride him. He told me worst case, he'd have to ease him at some point in the race.
So they decided to run and see if they could pull it off... win or lose they knew he'd never run again. Of course you know the rest. They almost pulled it off...
That's it... a little long but that's the true story as told to me by Bill H
miff Wrote:
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> Interesting fodder for the Conspiracy
> People.Surprised me to learn that several horsemen
> at Belmont that observed IHA said they would have
> strongly considered running him.One who watched
> him for almost three weeks noted the tendon had
> looked very puffy on Friday compared to the weeks
> prior.
>
>
> Goodrich recalls the back story of Majestic
> Prince, Belmont
> June 7, 2012 by sidfernando
>
> Wednesday night on Twitter, after following a
> discussion among fans speculating on I'll Have
> Another's physical condition for the Belmont, I
> made the following statements about Majestic
> Prince, the undefeated Derby and Preakness winner
> of 1969 as he entered the Belmont (all grammar as
> is from the 140-character model of Twitter):
>
> In '69, Johnny Longden didn't want to run Frank
> McMahon's undefeated Derby, Preakness winner in
> Belmont as he was hurt. Owner insisted on going
> for TC. Majestic Prince ran 2d to Arts and Letters
> and never ran again, w record 10 starts, 9 wins.
> No championship, either."
>
> Majestic Prince was a record-priced yearling by
> Raise a Native who lived up to his looks on the
> racetrack. Trained by ex-jock Johnny Longden and
> ridden by Bill Hartack, Majestic Prince like I'll
> Have Another was a chestnut from California who
> entered the Derby off a win in the Santa Anita
> Derby. Coincidentally both colts also wore
> Sure-Win bridles, but after that comparisons are
> harder to make.
>
> He share with me some very intimate details about
> Northern Dancer & Iron Leige too.. As for Majestic
> Prince.. He absolutely loved the horse from the
> 1st time he ever got on him as a 2 yr old. The
> true story, from Bill to me was this: The horse
> came out of the Preakness with a tendon, a pretty
> significant strain. Longden didn't want to tell
> McMahon because he wanted 2be certain of the
> situation, he waited a week.
>
> During that 1st week, he did not train one single
> day (of course) and the swelling in the tendon
> subsided with medication, ice and rest. Longden
> and Hartack were pretty close (2 pretty tough guys
> and fellow riders) & kept this very close to their
> vest bout the horses condition. After about 10-12
> days (Hartacks recall) they took him out and
> galloped him as quietly as possible, which Bill
> said wasn't easy, and the tendon of course, popped
> right back up... So Longden rested him more and told
> the owner who sorta refused to believe the horse
> couldn't run in the Belmont. Thinking naively,
> ("they'd come so far!!) Longden kept working on
> the horses tendon (Johnny was a tough old horseman
> too).
>
> Longden told Bill the horse was never gonna run
> again, and owner was going nuts. Longden (mostly)&
> Bill decided that if he was never gonna run again
> no matter what then they'd just kiss him into the
> Belmont, keep their fingers crossed – see if they
> could pull off the win. Johnny told Bill that the
> horse missing virtually all 3 weeks of training
> was going to make it very unlikely but the seeing
> the rest actually helping him coming of the
> Derby/Preakness... Longden and Bill were BOTH
> convinced that the horse would not breakdown, Bill
> said if he thought he would breakdown, he wouldn't
> have agreed to ride him. He told me worst case,
> he'd have to ease him at some point in the race.
>
> So they decided to run and see if they could pull
> it off... win or lose they knew he'd never run
> again. Of course you know the rest. They almost
> pulled it off...
>
> That's it... a little long but that's the true story
> as told to me by Bill H
In broad strokes, that\'s about how I understood that scenario to go down. Was at Anita when MP won the Santa Anita Derby . . . remains in the top three among the best-LOOKING good horses I ever saw . . .
IHA strained a tendon a few days before the Belmont. Very minor, caught early. Happens all the time. Yes, they were worried about the tendon for a couple days before the public found out. Yes, they could have run the horse, but the tendon would have gotten worse.** Yes, if this was a claimer, the horse would have probably been run. If the owner was more ego-driven, the horse would have probably been run.
An owner and trainer are honest, do what\'s right by the horse, and inform the horse racing world of what\'s happening - and they are destroyed by the gossip of racing \"fans\".
There was no positive drug test.
This is ridiculous beyond belief. There is absolutely nothing \"weird\" about how this happened, and what these people did for their horse.
** How would bettors feel, if they later found out that a horse going for the Triple Crown, that they put their money on, had a diagnosed \"minor tendon issue\" a few days before the race, and the public wasn\'t told about it, but the horse was run?
If the horse ran and won, the connections would be destroyed publicly for \"harming the horse\" in a quest for the TC win, fame and money. If the horse didn\'t come in first, the bettors would file a lawsuit demanding they\'ve been defrauded by the tendon issue being kept secret, and want their money back.
Again, that\'s enough on this. A whole lot of people on all sides here are making assertions, but since there\'s a lack of transparency in the game, that\'s all they are. From everybody.
jerry,
The only thing i asserted was i\'d rob him of his cash. While we\'re here and you so politely shut the good doctor up that goes for you as well. I\'ll use your
own product and beat you like i owned you. btw, i\'m at Laurel Park.
Flighted
I thought Jeannine Edwards did an excellant job in her part of the show and reporting.
wherever you are, that is really nasty. Get a life.
Edgorman,
I\'m at Laurel Park and nasty doesn\'t even scratch the surface. Btw, I gamble!
I prefer arm wrestling at $500.00 a clip,but i\'ll settle for idiotic theorist and dictator horse cash. If one decides to choose the former please don\'t bring
attitude unless \"your in good hands\".
mjs
I gave you a pass on the first one because I hurt your feelings about the poetry. That was the last one. You can come back on here again after Saratoga, do it before then and you\'re barred.
Does that mean that the position of TG Board poet laureate is open?
Let me submit \"A Golfer\'s Poem\":
Spring has sprung
Grass has riz
I wonder where the birdies is?
Move over, Geoffrey Chaucer!
With regards to the other thread, I optimistically project that with Wayward
Charles Hayward out to pasture, NY racing will thrive, while, unfortunately, it
will continue to struggle in other important venues (horse shortages at CD, horse
shortages, purse cuts at Pollywood).
Cuomo already mentioned as POTUS candidate in 2016. I guess viable, if BO gets
re-elected and does not scorch the earth too badly.
I thought he was laying down the gauntlet for a handicapping mano a mano, done in iambic pentameter. I was waiting for the limerick division, and then it was game on. Of course, I would have needed a horse with \"nantucket\" in its name.