She couldn\'t clean the mud off Rosie\'s silks.
Not to take anything away from her, of course.
Rosie is very talented, but it\'s waaaay too soon for that statement.
Let\'s see about 3X more wins from Rosie, and perhaps an obligatory tour of duty in SoCal, where Julie routinely went up against the best of the best during the latter part of her career...then we will have the basis for a valid comparison.
(More than one Grade I win per 1000 winners would be favorable, too...and don\'t forget that a rough 2/3rd\'s of Rosie\'s career win total to date was amassed while she was part of a suspect Maryland jock colony.)
Julie Krone\'s remarkable riding achievements are documented; Rosie, in spite of how far she has come, and how fast, is still more \"potential\" greatness, rather than actual. Time will tell.
How come JK wasn\'t at Pimlico to ride in the legends race?
Mark, she raced in a charity race at Doncaster last September. From what I read she trained quite a bit to get ready for it, and from her quote (below) she was still a little \"short\" (sorry, couldn\'t resist). That may have been her swan song.
\"A furlong out, I gave him two token swats to keep going to the wire, and he really flattened out nice and I tried not to bounce around too much. I think I\'d be better if I rode the race again, but one race after such a long time was hard.\"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/sep/07/julie-krone-leger-legends-victory
What you\'re forgetting is that Julie blazed the trail for Rosie to even get a shot in a game that\'s dominated by male chauvanists. Julie was so good she forced owners to ride her or get beat by her, it was their choice.
Rosie is fantastic, but there\'s only one Julie.
Thanks Bob.
A few yrs back Shane Sellers won the Kelso by a nose on Same Old Wish....paid about $80 and a guy or two at the Simulcast place had him in the Hall of Fame and superior to Pat Day.
Julie was.leading Rider at Gulfstream. Consistent and competitive in NY. Won a Belmont and then had a lot of bad injuries.
Rosie is on a good trajectory....only.the test of time will prove her full body of work....Not a good season or two....
I wish Rosie would have been on Disposablepleasure in the 10th.
Silver Charm Wrote:
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> A few yrs back Shane Sellers won the Kelso by a
> nose on Same Old Wish....paid about $80 and a guy
> or two at the Simulcast place had him in the Hall
> of Fame and superior to Pat Day.
>
> Julie was.leading Rider at Gulfstream. Consistent
> and competitive in NY. Won a Belmont and then had
> a lot of bad injuries.
>
> Rosie is on a good trajectory....only.the test of
> time will prove her full body of work....Not a
> good season or two....
I\'m a Julie fan, and like her.
But she spent a LOT of time in Jersey (understandable), and in terms of getting all the best of it from the stewards\' stand . . . yeah, she sure did.
Her positive influence on the Monmouth/Meadowlands handle was significant,
much like Rosie\'s is, now.
Whatever Rosie ever does in her life it won\'t live up to Julie hitting another jock with a folding chair in a fight at Monmouth.
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> Whatever Rosie ever does in her life it won\'t live
> up to Julie hitting another jock with a folding
> chair in a fight at Monmouth.
JK wouldn\'t back away from a battle.
Her fights with Bravo were legendary.
TGJB Wrote:
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> Whatever Rosie ever does in her life it won\'t live
> up to Julie hitting another jock with a folding
> chair in a fight at Monmouth.
Nor Julie continuing to hustle randy romero\'s owners and trainers after his threat to put her over the rail if she tried to steal his business again. And so he did
FWIW... Julie was once married to Matt Muzikar, Rosie\'s agent now!
He knows women jocks :)
Nifty ride by Rosie there on the Tagg runner in the 6th. Had the best horse but still saved ground. Now rides for Pletcher...could be an interesting summer for her....
She must be tired after carrying that Pletcher the final 50 yds.
Agreed! Thats why she has had four winners today.
I met Julie one time at Ak-Sar-Ben, and she moved ME up...horses ran for her like they did for Steve Cauthen in his prime...she was, and is, the real deal.
Rosie is a fine rider. I like the way she finishes. Julie rode in another era, one that was far less hospitible to female riders; the obstacles Krone had to overcome are hard to imagine today. Julie also rode against greater competition, some of the best jocks ever, and she more than held her own with them. Julie was a much better athelete physically speaking as well. They have completely different riding styles too--the only common point is that are both female which really doesn\'t mean a whole lot. But as I said, I like Rosie. She\'s riding a lot of longshots very well these days when she competes on the bigger circuits. More power to her.
No disrespect to Rosie, who is by far the best female jockey out there now, but anybody over the age of 40 would either have to have a bad memory or be overly appreciative of a recent Rosie ticket they cashed.
Julie was WAY ahead of where Rose is now. I wish I could hate her, as she costed me tons of money, constantly running me down late, especially on the turf. But I have too much respect for her accomplishments to hate her.
Julie was a HOFer.
Rosie is becoming very good. Not near Julie.
The comparisons of JK and RN are good and fair. But what you all seem to be either missing or hinting at : Horsemen really like RN. In contrast, when I worked at NYRA, it was my experience that NOBODY liked JK.
One time I asked JK \"Hey Julie, how come you never say hi to me when our paths cross?\" She replied \"Because you intimidate me\". I replied \" I intimidate YOU????\" You\'re a freakin\' millionaire!!! Lighten up girl!\". True story.
MO wrote:
\"In contrast, when I worked at NYRA, it was my experience that NOBODY liked JK.\"
Yet another reason to like JK.
You must be from California...LOL
MO,
I am from CA, and I do like Julie Krone, but that\'s not really the point. The point is this:
You wrote:
\"when I worked at NYRA, it was my experience that NOBODY liked JK.\"
And that\'s a totally F###ed thing to write. How does one go about defending her against this? By questioning you, right? That\'s the only way? OK, tell me what Gary Stevens thinks of you.
Your opinion. It was a personal encounter, and if JK wants to argue this point (or any other), why doncha give her a call and set up a round table in your back yard and film the discussion and post it on YouTube. You see, unlike JK and GS and a lot of other people in the business, I have NOTHING to hide, and NOTHING to be ashamed of. Deal with it, kid.
P.S. And I was only contrasting the personalities of the 2 riders.
More dark hints from the track bugler. One cannot make this up.
MO: We don\'t own this website, and it\'s pretty obvious where this thing is headed. If this string is still up tomorrow, I will reply in full--backyard and all.
heh heh...agree if she was disliked by the NYRAnians, it probably speaks well of her...
Hey Rich,
Clearly you have a problem with me, the track bugler. What is that problem?
Jealousy?
was I the one who brought up JK smashing a jock over the head with a chair? no.
Was I the one who brought up Randy Romero dropping her over the rail for stealing mounts? No.
Pick your fights with them, because the perception here is that you are always picking fights with me. You have never responded to one of my posts with out a negative or a condecending tone.
MO - I have to say Rich has a point. If someone comes out and says \"Julie Krone hit someone with a chair\" that\'s one thing. If you have something to say, come out and say it. That\'s not what you\'re doing. You\'re making innuendos or whatever. You need to use your judgment - whatever you\'re referring to, is it really something you should be talking about or hinting at in a public forum? Either come out with it or drop it. And this \"I\'ve got nothing to hide, unlike JK, GS and others\" is lame as well.
Sorry but I don\'t know either one of you and maybe it helps to have an objective point of view here.
HP
\"Either come out with it or drop it.\"
I thought I did when I described one (of many) encounters with her. Hey, I was the one who tried to be nice to her. I was dating a girl who rode with her. I have a lot of first hand knowledge about JK both good and bad, and frankly I take her side most of the time. The whole sexual harrassment thing with Pellegrino - I was there. Saw the whole thing happen. She was was not liked by anybody. That\'s the truth. And it was mostly jealousy on the part of the haters. And that\'s the truth too. She could ride the hell out of a horse - horses ran good for her. But she was a woman riding rings around her fellow male jocks on their own turf. And that sh!t don\'t fly on the track. It didn\'t with my girlfriend (who was the stable rider for my friend Braulio Baeza - wanna talk about jealous male jocks? How about a Puerto Rican chick learning first hand from the guy who was running rings around Shoemaker when Bill was in his prime....), and it didn\'t with Julie.
To reiterate, my only point in joining this discussion was to highlight the difference in personalities between Rosie and Julie. And anyone who doesn\'t think that Rosie doesn\'t know the history of Julie Krone - and learned from it - and that this knowledge has contributed greatly to Rosies success is absolutely friggin clueless as to how this game is played.
You mean the encounter where she said you intimidated her? That\'s it? I\'m reading your posts and you seem to be implying more was going on. What was that about \"I have nothing to hide, unlike JK and GS?\" Sounded like you had something bigger to say. If that\'s it, for my money the hitting someone with a chair story is better.
Given the fact that she won riding titles at five tracks it\'s hard to put any stock in your comment that \"nobody liked her.\" Maybe in your circle, or with the other jocks. But obviously some horsemen must\'ve liked her plenty, given her record. If Rosie keeps lighting it up I\'m sure some of the jocks won\'t like her either.
HP
Not certain Julie was a woman the way she manhandled horses.The Monkey thought she was a good as any rider on the circuit except maybe himself.
Julie was an annoying little urchin that would never shut up but she was an excellent rider. Anna Rose is a tough little rider also but she\'s no Julie Krone yet, comparisons premature.
Miff - agreed but this is besides the point. You\'re giving your opinion and that\'s fine.
MO wrote
\"You see, unlike JK and GS and a lot of other people in the business, I have NOTHING to hide, and NOTHING to be ashamed of. Deal with it, kid.\"
This is not fine. Plus it\'s really patronizing and arrogant, and I can\'t blame Rich for responding to it the way he did. Not fair to have this floating around without challenging it. WTF is MO talking about and when is his book with all the real dirt coming out? And then he comes out with this stuff about his girlfriend. Who cares?
In her time and place, I don\'t think Julie Krone could afford to worry about being LIKED. She wasn\'t there to be LIKED, she was there to win races. Just don\'t like the posts.
HP
HP said:
\"This is not fine. Plus it\'s really patronizing and arrogant, and I can\'t blame Rich for responding to it the way he did. Not fair to have this floating around without challenging it. WTF is MO talking about and when is his book with all the real dirt coming out? And then he comes out with this stuff about his girlfriend. Who cares?\"
I was highlighting the fact that I was there on an everyday basis - an insider - not just some fan watching from afar in California. Rich\'s comment about GS came out of left field, so I lumped the 2 together and suggested a round table discussion. I figured maybe he knew GS and maybe he could let me in on what GS thinks of me. wink.
And I make no apologies for percieved arrogance. I always tell the truth - about what I see, what I hear and what I do, warts and all. If that\'s arrogance, then racing needs more people like me and should get rid of those who keep sweeping the dirt under the rug and kicking the can down the road. I didn\'t quit NYRA just because I hit a big Pick 6. I quit because it was dirty. Looks like I made an accurate assesment too.
MO wrote:
\"Rich\'s comment about [Gary Stevens] came out of left field.\"
See below. And this, MO, is just a start:
Re: Bailey? You Mean Norberto. (114 Views)
Posted by: Mark O\'Keeffe (IP Logged)
Date: June 01, 2002 10:33PM
Hey, look, I was not gonna post because of the obvious flak I\'d get by folks who wouldn\'t know what they were looking at in walkover, but if anybody thinks Stevens didn\'t use a buzzer in this race.....arghhhhh!!!!!!!!!! Its just so damn obvious!!!!!!!!!! Horses don\'t get shut off like that, take up and win a sixteenth of a mile home and draw away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Watch Macho Uno\'s tail just after he took up. Thats when the buzzer was applied.
Okay guys, that\'s enough.