If anyone is up Black Caviar goes for 18 straight wins tonight at around 11:50pm (EST)..Australia race 6A..
Should be fun to watch..not bet..
Can\'t miss it! 7 furlongs.
OH MY GOD!!!
She won that grade 1 cantering around the entire track..SICK!!
She never even had to accelerate. All her races are on YouTube. She\'ll race again next weekend if sound, and weekend after that if comes out okay. I think they want her 20th win to be in Australia :-)
She apparently beat a bunch of weiner dogs given the entire field was 99-1 except for her. Hard to take that seriously.
It was and open Grade 1 against males, and Aus turf sprinters are no slouches on the international scene, I have seen several Aus bred/raced horses win turf sprints in Meydan the past few weeks. It is the best the country has to offer (unlike the campaigns Zenyatta ran), if she is so much better that every dollar is wagered on her, and rightfully so.
It\'s a shame if they place so much emphasis on the 20th win in AUS thing and run her every 2 weeks. She belongs in Dubai in a turf mile, there is nothing more to prove in AUS.
TreadHead Wrote:
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> It was and open Grade 1 against males, and Aus
> turf sprinters are no slouches on the
> international scene, I have seen several Aus
> bred/raced horses win turf sprints in Meydan the
> past few weeks. It is the best the country has to
> offer (unlike the campaigns Zenyatta ran), if she
> is so much better that every dollar is wagered on
> her, and rightfully so.
>
> It\'s a shame if they place so much emphasis on the
> 20th win in AUS thing and run her every 2 weeks.
> She belongs in Dubai in a turf mile, there is
> nothing more to prove in AUS.
They must\'ve been slouches to have all been at 99-1 odds. When have you ever seen that in any race, much less a G1, in the U.S.? Including Zenyatta\'s races.
Bookie odds in Australia are different than parimutual tote odds in the US.
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SHE\'S the champion of the world, one of the best Australia has ever seen and the horse that broke the gates down.
Black Caviar, the best sprinting thoroughbred on the planet, turned back the clock at Caulfield today, dragging an old-fashioned bumper crowd that was allowed in free of charge just to see her run.
And at the same time she showed a glimpse of what\'s to come when she leaves Australia next month to take on the world.
As everyone expected her to, Black Caviar bounded to her 18th win from as many starts in the Group One CF Orr Stakes.
Only the South Australian mare Southern Speed made anything like a race of it with Black Caviar, and she had to produce the run of her life to fill second place, 3-1/4 lengths behind the great mare.
As well as taking her one race closer to the record number of wins for an unbeaten horse in Australia, it took her prizemoney total to a tick under $5 million.
\"That might have been her best run yet,\" said senior part-owner Neil Werrett.
\"It was her easiest.\"
As well as the massive crowd Black Caviar \"invited\" to see her Caulfield, her performance stopped a cricket match on the oval near the 1200m mark, the players jumping the fence to watch her flash past.
The only surprise to come from the race was delivered by trainer Peter Moody, who said he might run Black Caviar at Flemington next week and then come back to Caulfield the week after.
\"If she pulls up well, you might see her again in seven days, and if she comes through that all right, she might be back here seven days later.\"
Black Caviar is then scheduled to race in Dubai next month at the world\'s richest race meeting, before tackling Europe\'s best at Royal Ascot in June.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/black-caviar-does-it-easy-in-18th-straight-win-in-front-of-large-caulfield-crowd/story-e6frg7mf-1226268557033
Edit: I added some American conversions:
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Records coupled with modern technology have enabled the expert judges and analysts to come up with the same finding - the unbeaten mare is a super freak. By Chris Roots.
SHE IS the closest thing to Phar Lap that racing has had in a century but Black Caviar still has a long way to go to rewrite the record books.
However, ask those who know and the overwhelming response is it is only a matter of time until she does. \'\'She is the best horse I have ever seen,\'\' says rails bookie and form analyst Robbie Waterhouse. \'\'She is the best in the world, I have no doubt about it.\'\'
Phar Lap was the benchmark of his time and beyond. He is built into the Australian sporting consciousness. He effectively won 27 times at the top level, Cox Plates, a Melbourne Cup, derbies, you name it, he ran in it and won. He went overseas long before it became the trend, and won, too.
Phar Lap, like Don Bradman was to cricket in the same period, will always lead the pantheon of turf stars, which includes names such as Carbine, Tulloch, Kingston Town and Makybe Diva.
Comparing different eras in any sport is complicated and inexact, as achievements are a product of competition. \'\'Our horses are better now because they are bred to be better and the training techniques are better,\'\' Waterhouse says.
Black Caviar, more than any horse since Phar Lap, has became public property. Her aura comes from her invincibility - 17 starts, 17 wins. It is a mark that has never been reached in Australia.
She is Australia\'s top sporting star of the present day. But can she match Phar Lap\'s record?
Probably not because she might not even have 29 starts, and she definitely won\'t run in that many group 1s.
Since 1978-79, racing has identified greatness using the group system. It rates the best races on four levels, group 1 being the best. Black Caviar has won seven times at group 1 level, which is a long way from the Australian leader, Kingston Town, which chalked up 14 wins in the 1980s.
It is a record that could fall to the freakish daughter of Bel Esprit. Another in her sights would be stakes wins, which takes in all four levels of the group system (groups 1-3 and listed). It is held by Sunline at 28 wins, Black Caviar sits on 16 and could move into the 20s by year\'s end if her winning streak continues.
The likelihood of that is extremely high, says Australia\'s leading time analyst Vince Accardi. \'\'Her average [time rating] is 12 lengths faster than standard,\'\' Accardi says. \'\'I have never seen anything like it. There was a point where I went back and checked my figures because I thought they had to be wrong.
\'\'I have a 15-year database and there is nothing on it that compares to her. The best example of how good she is, is Takeover Target, who was a great sprinter. His best rating was 11.7 lengths better than standard. She does that every time she races.\'\'
Accardi, who runs the website Daily Sectionals, measures 200-metre sections in metres per second. It gives him a great tool to measure horse against horse and predict performance. He clocked Black Caviar 19.47mps during her Newmarket win last year.
200-metres = a furlong = 1/8 mile
19.47 meters/second = 43.6 miles/hour
\'\'I don\'t think it is possible for a horse to go faster than 19.5 mps [meters per second] if you can find one I would like to see it,\'\' he said. \'\'The thing that is extraordinary about her is her ability to hold high speed.
\'\'Horses can run in the high 18s but they very quickly fatigue and drop off because they are basically overexerting themselves.
\'\'[The Newmarket last year] was the day we saw how good she might be because it was 17.3 lengths better than standard, which is the highest performance I have on record.
\'\'She went 19.42, 19.47, 18.78 for three sections in a row, I have never seen that before. But she does it regularly.\'\'
Black Caviar has never been beyond 1200m [ 6 furlongs ] but this afternoon steps up to 1400m [ 7 furlongs ] in the Orr Stakes. She is expected to win. Accardi\'s numbers say it will be a formality. But he has gone further and measured her against the 20 best 1400m races in the past decade in Australia.
\'\'No horse has been able to run her numbers,\'\' he said. \'\'I believe it wouldn\'t be a worry for her to keep winning at 1400m and even a mile, given her pattern.
\'\'My model has her [potentially] about seven lengths better than the average of those 20 races, which is amazing.\'\'
Black Caviar possesses a potent mix of speed and endurance that staggers the experts.
Waterhouse has a different system, he favours stride length. He has estimated Black Caviar\'s stride to be beyond eight metres [ = 26\' 3\" ]
Man O\' War 28 feet
Secretariat 24 feet
John Henry 25.5 feet
\'\'Horses can have a giant stride and still be slow,\'\' Waterhouse says. \'\'But for a big horse, she is light on her feet. She seems to do it effortlessly and be in contact with the ground for less time than other horses.
\'\'I measured her strides in the Newmarket win and she took 12, 12, 13, 13 in the last 400m [in 100m sections]. The horses chasing her, Crystal Lily and Beaded, took 13.5, 13.5, 14, 15. That\'s a massive difference, she took six less strides to cover the same distance. She is just not fatiguing like her rivals.
[ 400 meters = 2 furlongs = 2/8 miles = 4/16 miles ]
\'\'In the T.J. Smith, she went 12, 13, 12, 13 and Hay List, which is a great sprinter, was 13, 14, 15, 15.\'\'
Black Caviar has been able to concentrate on sprints, not racing beyond 1200m, because of increased prizemoney. In the past, great sprinters have had to stretch out to 1600m (a mile then) to earn the big bucks.
Black Caviar has been able to earn more than $4.5 million in her 17 starts. It is impressive but still $10 million shy of the record amount three-time Melbourne Cup heroine Makybe Diva banked in her career.
Makybe Diva won 15 races but the race that stops the nation swelled her stakes by $8.4 million, making the prizemoney record another that appears out of reach for Black Caviar.
But is she the best in the world? Timeform, one of the oracles of the ratings game, puts unbeaten English sensation Frankel in front of Black Caviar at the end of last year. The measure Timeform use is pounds and it rates Frankel at 143 and Black Caviar at 135+, which indicates she is expected to improve.
\'\'It is there [the plus] for when she goes to 1400 metres and she could go up a couple of points,\'\' says Timeform\'s Australian agent, Gary Crispe.
Black Caviar will meet eight rivals when she chases win No. 18, this time over 1400m at Caulfield this afternoon.
Most in the crowd of about 30,000, who won\'t have to pay to get in after the Melbourne Racing Club decided to throw the gates open, will be there to see one horse, not nine races.
She will attract a nationwide television audience on the racing channels and on free-to-air through Channel Nine, and it will be transmitted globally.
So what is in store from Black Caviar for the remainder of the year, when she will take on the world like Phar Lap did, starting in either Dubai or Royal Ascot?
\'\'I can only go the numbers from her first-up run [in the Australia Stakes] where she was 12.8 lengths better than standard,\'\' Accardi says.
\'\'I would say that makes two or three lengths better than last time she was in work.\'\'
That is scary, but her trainer Peter Moody has always said she was getting better.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/black-caviar-within-a-lap-of-the-greats-20120210-1sksm.html#ixzz1m6xHwPJq
Black Caviar\'s first public trial (public training run in company, an unofficial race) back in 2009. She cantered to the win, not breathing. You can then click on the page and go through all her other races.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AoTg3Sci0I
sighthound Wrote:
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> Bookie odds in Australia are different than
> parimutual tote odds in the US.
>
> ---------
> SHE\'S the champion of the world, one of the best
> Australia has ever seen and the horse that broke
> the gates down.
>
> Black Caviar, the best sprinting thoroughbred on
> the planet, turned back the clock at Caulfield
> today, dragging an old-fashioned bumper crowd that
> was allowed in free of charge just to see her
> run.
>
> And at the same time she showed a glimpse of
> what\'s to come when she leaves Australia next
> month to take on the world.
>
> As everyone expected her to, Black Caviar bounded
> to her 18th win from as many starts in the Group
> One CF Orr Stakes.
>
> Only the South Australian mare Southern Speed made
> anything like a race of it with Black Caviar, and
> she had to produce the run of her life to fill
> second place, 3-1/4 lengths behind the great
> mare.
>
> As well as taking her one race closer to the
> record number of wins for an unbeaten horse in
> Australia, it took her prizemoney total to a tick
> under $5 million.
>
> \"That might have been her best run yet,\" said
> senior part-owner Neil Werrett.
>
> \"It was her easiest.\"
>
> As well as the massive crowd Black Caviar
> \"invited\" to see her Caulfield, her performance
> stopped a cricket match on the oval near the 1200m
> mark, the players jumping the fence to watch her
> flash past.
>
> The only surprise to come from the race was
> delivered by trainer Peter Moody, who said he
> might run Black Caviar at Flemington next week and
> then come back to Caulfield the week after.
>
> \"If she pulls up well, you might see her again in
> seven days, and if she comes through that all
> right, she might be back here seven days later.\"
>
> Black Caviar is then scheduled to race in Dubai
> next month at the world\'s richest race meeting,
> before tackling Europe\'s best at Royal Ascot in
> June.
>
> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/black-c
> aviar-does-it-easy-in-18th-straight-win-in-front-o
> f-large-caulfield-crowd/story-e6frg7mf-12262685570
> 33
Did you see the Aussie odds? Not much better.
Pretty amazing when the 2nd and 3rd place horses, both good Grade 1 winners, are at long odds, hum?
Funny Cide Wrote:
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>
> Did you see the Aussie odds? Not much better.
Hey Cide,
I see what you\'re saying and I also want to see her beat some U.S or Euro top horses before anointing her greatest ever but in all those graded stakes races over there that she is winning under wraps there has to be some good ones in there..The thing that kills me watching those races is that the others are running but she\'s not..I\'m interested to see what happens when they actually shake the reins up..
Hey TGJB: I volunteer to move to Australia and be your track man there.
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THE unexpected presence of Black Caviar at Flemington on Saturday to contest the $750,000 Lightning Stakes hasn\'t discouraged the connections of other class sprinters from taking on the mare as she attempts her 19th consecutive win.
Trainer Peter Moody yesterday signalled the all-conquering sprinter would revert back to the 1000 metres of the Lightning Stakes after emerging from the group 1 Orr Stakes success in good shape. Moody has set plans in motion for the champion to possibly have three starts in as many weeks during the autumn carnival.
\'\'She has pulled up super and we nominated her [for the Lightning Stakes] with the intention of running on Saturday if all progresses well this week,\'\' Moody\'s racing manager, Jeff O\'Connor, said.
\'\'We have up until Saturday morning to decide if she runs, but the signs are all very positive at this stage and we are pressing on with the intention of running her.\'\'
There are 16 nominations for the weight-for-age event, which doubles as the opening leg of the Global Sprint Challenge, but the race has attracted a considerable amount of depth.
However it appears that Hay List, who had been entered for the Lightning and who has run second to the great mare in three of their four clashes, may not run.
Co-owner Peter Davenport said they were not afraid of Black Caviar but the commonsense path might be to wait a week if she turned up on Saturday.
\'\'It came as a surprise to me when Peter Moody said he was thinking of backing her up,\'\' Davenport said.
\'\'We all had a conference this morning and decided we may have to reprogram.\'\'
Goodwood Handicap winner Lone Rock and top-flight mare Sister Madly are all confirmed as certain starters despite the appearance of Black Caviar. The champion sprinter will also be pitted against stablemate Curtana.
Buffering is also among the entries for the Lightning along with exciting three-year-olds Foxwedge and African Pulse, who both won jump-outs at Flemington last Friday.
And Kiwi three-year-old Smackdown, the least experienced of the Lightning entries, who won his only start over 1000 metres at a low-grade Tauherenikau meeting in New Zealand a week ago, is set to start.
Moody also yesterday indicated he wants to be given the opportunity to prepare the world\'s best sprinter for the Cox Plate.
The trainer told 3AW\'s Peter Maher Black Caviar was kept in Australia this year she could be prepared for it.
He all but ruled out a tilt at Australia\'s weight-for-age championship this year given Black Caviar\'s planned trips to Dubai and England.
Moody said he wouldn\'t be drawn on whether Black Caviar could win a Cox Plate but said: \'\'I\'d be brave enough to have a go at it if the owners asked me to go that way. The concern would not be the Cox Plate itself or the 2000-metre trip. The concern would be whether her body could handle the training required for such a race.\'\'
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/black-caviars-lightning-bid-fails-to-deter-rivals-20120213-1t27e.html#ixzz1mJWyb2Vn
If she goes for 3 straight in 3 weeks, I may be inclined to take a shot against her based on who will race against her and how much energy she exerts this week. I know the prices will be right.
Hay List is avoiding her.
Thats good for this week. maybe hay list will take a shot next week. lets see the circumstances but the price and the timing with 3 races in 3 weeks couldn\'t be better. I hope she gets tested a little this week.
She\'s running in these races, rather than having workouts.
I wouldn\'t bet against her until she left the country. It would be like betting against Secretariat in the Belmont. Yes, she\'s that extraordinary. She\'s only been back two races this prep, and she\'s bigger, stronger, and faster now that she\'s fully mature.
sighthound Wrote:
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> She\'s running in these races, rather than having
> workouts.
>
> I wouldn\'t bet against her until she left the
> country. It would be like betting against
> Secretariat in the Belmont. Yes, she\'s that
> extraordinary. She\'s only been back two races
> this prep, and she\'s bigger, stronger, and faster
> now that she\'s fully mature.
Regardless of if they are using it as a workout it\'s still a race so it\'s going to take more starch out of her than a workout would. I will be betting on hay list for the next race if Black Caviar tries to pull off the trifecta. I\'ll probably lose but at the odds i\'m willing to give it a shot. Can\'t say I agree with the connections on the race spacing especially if they want to run overseas later.
Southern Speed is not a sprinter, though. She is a Caufield Cup winner.
Black Caviar more exposed than ever
Brendan Cormick
The Australian
February 15, 2012 12:00AM
WORLDLY Flemington-based trainer John Sadler would not be disappointed for the connections of Sister Madly if Black Caviar stayed home on Saturday.
Though for lovers of racing and, in particular the unbeaten mare, this will quite likely be the most exciting race they ever see.
\"They said they got 20,000 last week at Caulfield for the Orr Stakes, but they must have got closer to 30,000,\" Sadler said yesterday. \"That was a non-event last week compared to this Saturday. She\'s the best I\'ve ever seen, but they are giving people a chance to see something special. If this doesn\'t get the turnstiles clicking, nothing will.\"
Sadler, who has trained internationally and was a key figure behind the scenes in Efficient\'s 2007 Melbourne Cup triumph, is an unabashed Black Caviar fan but he says she has never been more exposed than she will be in the $752,500 weight-for-age dash.
\"I just think coming back from the 1400m to the 1000m, she is a little vulnerable,\" Sadler said.
\"There are some horses there that can run a very quick 1000m. I reckon they (the Black Caviar team) are showing a lot of guts doing this. It\'s a great thing for racing that they are doing it.
\"If ever a horse will prove you wrong, she\'ll continue to do it because she is outstanding and I\'m no different to anyone else with my thoughts.\"
The Davenport family and trainer John McNair are said to be leaving it until the morning before deciding whether Hay List, the perennial bridesmaid to Black Caviar with four seconds in five races with her, will run.
Sadler expects the West Australian sprinter to line up and take the race to the champion.
\"Isn\'t this the time to take her on?\" Sadler said.
\"He\'s going to be weighted out of the Oakleigh Plate and he\'ll get his share in the Newmarket.\"
As for the Sadler-trained Sister Madly, she will be there.
The race is pivotal to her next target as she chases victory at the highest level to crown her career before ultimately taking up duties in the breeding barn in spring.
\"We are all about winning a Group I with our mare this time in and that is a lot easier said than done,\" Sadler said.
\"The Lightning, for her, will be a good lead-up to the Newmarket with three weeks between runs.\"
Damien Oliver will ride Sister Madly and, after jockeys were widely criticised for their lack of initiative last Saturday, the champion jockey is getting no satisfaction from chasing Black Caviar home.
\"I\'d be happy to knock her off,\" Oliver said cheekily. \"I\'m not one that\'s happy to see her keep winning. I\'m sick of seeing the back of her.
\"If she\'s in the way, I\'ll be happy to get past her,\" he said with a grin.
John O\'Shea, the trainer of Foxwedge, expects a true test for Black Caviar\'s 19th start after the promising colt galloped 800m and sprinted up over his last 200m at Flemington yesterday.
\"There will be a fair bit of speed early and there will be horses that\'ll be running along and there will be those, for example Foxwedge, with a little bit of weight relief, a tough, seasoned three-year-old with Nash, (Rawiller) an aggressive jockey. Consequently, they will be there to do their best,\" O\'Shea said.
Final acceptances will be taken at 10am this morning and at this stage, Black Caviar will be paid up with a view to running.
Black Caviar is set to have a travelling companian for her trip to England. Group I-winning stablemate King\'s Rose will give trainer Peter Moody a second runner at Royal Ascot in June.
The Hong Kong-owned King\'s Rose will be set for the Group I Queen Anne Stakes (1600m) at Royal Ascot on June 19, the beginning an extended stay in England and Ireland.
King\'s Rose, New Zealand\'s three-year-old filly of the year, will end her racing career in England before she is served by champion sire Galileo.
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Current international Timeform ratings
http://www.timeform.com/display_articles.asp?page=Timeform_Top_10s.asp
sighthound,
She is amazing. Best for her.
Flighted Iron
Yes, I\'m a fan: this is the most exciting horse I\'ve seen since Secretariat and Dr. Fager.
Tomorrow night: The Lightning Stakes, Flemington Race Course, Race 6A, 12:10am eastern time (Friday night for Saturday morning in USA)
Entries: http://www.australianracing.com/filebin/downloads/FLEselAB0217.pdf
Race 6A Flemington 12:10am EST
Wagering: W, P, S, Ex, Qu, Tri, Super
5 f COOLMORE LIGHTNING STAKES G1 WFA US$804K
prg LRuns Horse Name BP Jockey Morn Line
1 234387x Phelan Ready 2 B Rawiller 30/1
2 x21212x Hay List 7 G Schofield 8/1
3 441462x Buffering 3 M Rodd 30/1
4 501613x Temple Of Boom 1 D Nikolic 15/1
5 536151x Secret Flyer 8 D Dunn 20/1
6 222x84x Metallurgical 4 Craig Williams 30/1
7 1x11111 Black Caviar 5 L Nolen 2/5
8 31x513x Lone Rock 6 G Boss 50/1
9 x12412x Foxwedge 9 N Rawiller 15/1
Selections: 7 - 2 - 9
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Black Caviar to speed up in Lightning
Robert Windmill
06:10 AEST Fri Feb 17 2012
Jockey Luke Nolen is as confident as ever as unbeaten champion Black Caviar attempts to etch her name into the record books in the Lightning Stakes at Flemington.
Nolen admitted the challenge of coming back from 1400 metres to 1000 metres in a week was unorthodox but he expected Black Caviar to adapt on Saturday and win her second Lightning and 19th race in a row.
\"It is not holding any fears for us,\" Nolen said.
Nolen said he was prepared for a harder and faster contest than last start in the CF Orr Stakes when Black Caviar strolled home, about four seconds outside the 1400-metre course record.
\"I think the fact it (the Lightning) is run up the straight is only going to play to her strengths,\" he said.
\"She is effective around a corner but because she does take that big, long stride she\'s quite special to watch up the straight. She goes like a bomb.
\"We are all expecting the Lightning to be run a lot quicker than her last few races but she can run sub-11 second sectionals for the best part of a race.
\"She gets horses out of their comfort zone through the middle stages and because she can sustain it for an extended period of time she has them all off the bit before we get to the clock tower.\"
Nolen said the Orr Stakes didn\'t take a lot of out of Black Caviar, likening it to a track gallop where she only had to quicken over the last 600 metres.
\"She didn\'t have a tough run by any stretch,\" Nolen said.
Nolen welcomed another match against Hay List who has raced her four times for three seconds, including in last year\'s Lightning when 3-1/4 lengths behind Black Caviar.
\"He\'s the only one who has really made her stretch in the TJ Smith in Sydney and the BTC Cup in Brisbane and he looked pretty good winning a couple of trials earlier this year,\" Nolen said.
\"I have got a healthy respect for the horse but there is only one horse I will be worrying about and that is Black Caviar.\"
Nolen acknowledged the optimism of Hay List\'s owners the Davenport family, trainer John McNair and jockey Glyn Schofield but it doesn\'t faze him.
\"They are bullish but you can\'t go into a race with a defeatist attitude I suppose,\" Nolen said.
He said Hay List appeared as if he was \"close enough to the mark but I am sure there is improvement in him whereas Black Caviar is pretty fit\".
Nolen said trainer Peter Moody had always believed Black Caviar\'s best would be seen in her five-year-old season and that she was ready to show it.
\"She is probably fully developed now and being such a hulking mare probably needed that last couple of years to almost furnish completely,\" he said.
\"She is so big and strong she could do so much damage to herself when she let rip but a lot of those things are behind her now.\"
A Lightning success would see Black Caviar join Desert Gold and Gloaming with the most consecutive wins in Australasia.
It would also give her the first leg of the Global Sprint Challenge which carries a $1 million bonus to any horse who can win three of the 10-race series in different countries.