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Title: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: Sandreadis on November 16, 2011, 07:05:21 PM
Trainer Richard Dutrow Jr. on Wednesday received a stay of a 10-year suspension handed down last month by the New York State Racing and Wagering Board that will likely remain in force until his appeal of the board's decision is resolved.

New York Supreme Court Judge Richard Giardino granted the stay after Dutrow's attorney, Michael Koenig, submitted paperwork to the court challenging the 10-year ban. Dutrow had earlier received a 30-day stay of the ban after his attorney informed the court that he intended to appeal the board's decision. The 30-day stay was set to expire on Wednesday.

The stay will allow Dutrow to train while his appeal remains unresolved. In similar cases, appeals have taken at least six months to be resolved, and they usually stretch beyond 12 months.

"We're looking forward to challenging the board's decision and presenting our case," said Koenig, shortly after returning from the court.

Technically, the stay was extended until Monday, in order to give the state time to prepare a request to move the appeal to the state's appellate court, which, in New York, is higher than the Supreme Court. The stay granted by Giardino on Wednesday contains language that will extend the stay on Monday until the appeal is resolved.

The New York racing board handed down the 10-year ban on Oct. 12, effective Oct. 18, citing Dutrow's long history of violations and calling his participation in the sport "inconsistent with the best interests of racing."
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: sighthound on November 16, 2011, 07:13:21 PM
Geesh.  The horse just can\'t win.
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: Beau on November 16, 2011, 07:21:36 PM
Dutrow is killing them on the TRACK... His horses are RUNNING for his life :)
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: miff on November 17, 2011, 06:49:42 AM
\"Dutrow is killing them on the TRACK... His horses are RUNNING for his life :)\"

Beau,

...and that in spite of \"extra\" scrutiny of Trickys barn. NYRA vomiting, conspiracy idiots scratching their heads.


Mike
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: Beau on November 17, 2011, 07:00:44 AM
Mike.... EXACTLY!!!!
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: Sandreadis on November 17, 2011, 10:29:02 AM
The bridgejumper in the first at the Big A was thinking the same thing about Rail Trip.  
Anybody know how much was in the show pool on this horse?
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: Rick B. on November 17, 2011, 10:34:21 AM
Sandreadis Wrote:
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> The bridgejumper in the first at the Big A was
> thinking the same thing about Rail Trip.  
> Anybody know how much was in the show pool on this
> horse?

Last I saw (after Ramon got dumped), roughly $20K out of a $25K show pool.

Update: Rail Trip had $25,458 out of the $31,853 in the show pool. Final, I think.
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: richiebee on November 17, 2011, 10:48:00 AM
I\'m in a suggestion making mood.

Charles Hayward: For once do something that shows you take your position at NYRA
seriously: Pull Tricky\'s stalls. You can do this, and I do not think this can be
challenged in court. TDD\'s legal team could tie this ten year suspension up for
what? 3 years? 4 years?

JB: Could you publish the sheet for the Tricky runner Associate, now 2/2 off the
claim from Linda Rice? Could do no better than a TG 92  for Linda, ran
a TG NEGATIVE 2 something first off the claim, came back second off
the claim with an incredibly easy win under a Ramon hammerlock, running 7f in 22
and change on a day the track did not seem particularly fast.
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: TGJB on November 17, 2011, 11:04:29 AM
Richie-- I\'ll post all his runners at the end of the month, remind me. But yeah, that was a good one.

As it happens I made essentially the same suggestion face to face with Hayward a couple of years ago, not specifically about Dutrow but as a solution in general. Florida did it with Ziade a few years ago, others did it with Gill.
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: plasticman on November 17, 2011, 04:44:16 PM
Presenting their case? Do they HAVE a case?
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: Boscar Obarra on November 23, 2011, 08:08:40 PM
hard to keep good men down

http://www.drf.com/blogs/back-yonkers-lou-pena-must-start-over
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: Boscar Obarra on November 24, 2011, 04:08:27 PM
50% is the new 20%.

 All you have to do is spot them well and use a good jockey.
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: miff on November 24, 2011, 06:29:48 PM
\"50% is the new 20%.
All you have to do is spot them well and use a good jockey\"


...no he\'s winning because he using illegal drugs, duh!
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: richiebee on November 25, 2011, 04:52:46 AM
Miff:

1)Will Tricky get stalls at GP?

2)Is IEAH still in business?
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: miff on November 25, 2011, 07:51:55 AM
Bee,

Tricky been yakking to a few of his regular owners that he will be going to GP with a string and keeping another string in NY.Have to assume that GP has changed it\'s mind and will allow him to race, they do not have to.

Upstate political stooges that went after Tricky looking rather foolish now with this PR exercise to deflect attention from how poorly they have managed NY racing. NYRA in a bind to ban him having stated previously they would go along with courts which granted stay until the case is heard.Tricky in perfect position to be framed now but I\'m sure he\'s oblivious,babe.

Rumors of IEAH\'s demise, 6-12 months ago,were premature.Iavarone trying to save his creation, looking for new capital investment.IEAH Equine hospital busted out and closed, many of their expensive mares/runners unseen,Big Brown babies not looking great initially,lawsuits impending.IEAH seems a ticking time bomb.

Slots at Big A going great guns initially and NYRA gets a huge windfall and saved AGAIN by external forces. Guess it will be same old lack of transparency/bold initiatives at NYRA but with a fresh coat of paint.


Mike
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: Boscar Obarra on January 01, 2012, 01:26:44 PM
I\'m honored to be able to witness training greatness in action.

 All they did with the ban attempt was make him mad.
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: Rick B. on January 01, 2012, 01:48:07 PM
Boscar Obarra Wrote:
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> I\'m honored to be able to witness training
> greatness in action.
>
>  All they did with the ban attempt was make him
> mad.

He keeps winning, at 40%, and they aren\'t finding anything from his winners...

At some point, reasonable doubt has to kick in, and you say, \"Hey...maybe the syringe WAS planted in his barn.\"

Unless your hatred of the guy blinds you to the obvious...
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: richiebee on January 01, 2012, 02:28:24 PM
Rick:

Happy New Year, Rick.

Are you implying that NYSRWB or NYRA planted syringes? I would understand a
disgruntled employee or fellow trainer, but NYRA or NYSRWB could simply deny
him stall space. I do not think this decision could be challenged in court,
and he certainly could run out of a training center, but Tricky\'s presence on
the circuit would be lessened.

Whether it results in positive tests or not, Dutrow and his protege RRod seem
to be enjoying the same kind of edge as was enjoyed by Oscar, the Gas Man and
the recently departed Pistol, who once was suspended 90 days for lasix
positives (before Lasix was legal in NY) and then tried to turn his horses
over to his teenage daughter.

Could be a rough wagering winter in Ozone Park: a parade of short priced
favorites trained by Tricky and Rudy and one of the Engleharts, with some head
scratching bombs like yesterday\'s Alex Robb winner, Spa City Fever, mixed in.

Will follow with interest today\'s 1st race winner, Celebrity Sighting, now
10-6-4-0 lifetime and 3/3 over the inner, claimed today from Rudy by Asmussen
off 3 straight wins
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: TGJB on January 01, 2012, 02:48:52 PM
As I have pointed out before, it\'s a big mistake to assume that testing is being done properly, and in some cases being done at all.
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: Boscar Obarra on January 01, 2012, 02:55:35 PM
Rick B. Wrote:
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> Unless your hatred of the guy blinds you to the
> obvious...

 No hatred here, as I said , I\'m an admirer, just like you.

 And really greatful I\'m not the one running against his stock.
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: Rick B. on January 01, 2012, 03:23:27 PM
richiebee Wrote:
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> Rick:
>
> Happy New Year, Rick.
>
> Are you implying that NYSRWB or NYRA planted
> syringes?

No, that\'s too far-fetched for even the X-Files faithful.

Wouldn\'t be terribly hard for someone else to do though. Hell, last summer at Saratoga I could have walked into Pletcher\'s barn office unchallenged and done God knows what if I wanted. (I thought about going in and looking for those \"undetectable drugs\", but of course, they are...undetectable.)

Plausible that something was \"planted\" in Dutrow\'s barn? Dunno. Possible? Seems like it, if the other tracks are as loose as Saratoga.

Not trying to start a fight...just want it over: if Dutrow is dirty, stop screwing around and shitcan him; if not, leave him alone.

Happy New Year, Richeebee.
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: Rick B. on January 01, 2012, 03:34:07 PM
TGJB Wrote:
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> As I have pointed out before, it\'s a big mistake
> to assume that testing is being done properly, and
> in some cases being done at all.

I remember you saying that before, and I can certainly imagine a scenario where testing is stepped-up for a little while for P.R. purposes, followed by backing off a little, but...

Here\'s a guy, Rick Dutrow Jr., whose balls the higher-ups in NY racing *so badly* want to break...and we can\'t even have a little faith that they are watching this guy like a hawk, just waiting for him to screw up?

Does that make any sense at all?

Is NYRA really *that* screwed up, that they can\'t even properly conduct a witch hunt? (There, a 70 MPH fastball straight down the middle, a belated Christmas gift for Miff.)
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: TGJB on January 01, 2012, 03:41:16 PM
First of all, NYRA doesn\'t control testing, or even have access to the test results. But I can\'t even begin to tell you how wrong your assumptions are (whether tests exist for certain drugs, whether people want to spend the money to do things right, whether testers are competent, and on and on...).
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: Rick B. on January 01, 2012, 04:20:35 PM
TGJB Wrote:
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> First of all, NYRA doesn\'t control testing, or
> even have access to the test results. But I can\'t
> even begin to tell you how wrong your assumptions
> are (whether tests exist for certain drugs,
> whether people want to spend the money to do
> things right, whether testers are competent, and
> on and on...).

I guess my first reaction to this is, if what you say is true, then no one should *ever* be suspended or fined for drug positives -- the testers might not be competent, the tests themselves may be suspect...and on and on.

The problem with that reaction is that is sounds like a smart-assed retort, and that is not my intention.

I\'ll go a different route: When?

When is this game going to get cleaned up, so that I don\'t have to walk around like an idiot with a ton of ill-informed assumptions about \"what is being done\" to make things right?

I\'ve heard for years (from you and other industry heavyweights) about the \"invisible hand\" that is supposedly improving things, even if behind the scenes and barely perceptable.

And what do we have to show for it? A much-despised trainer -- facing a long suspension -- doing the equivalent of dropping trou and sticking his ass right in our faces, winning at a ridiculous 40% clip.

When?

It\'s mostly a rhetorical question; I don\'t expect you to have an answer, Jerry. Like many horseplayers, I\'ll probably end up leaving the game in outright disgust before anything ever really gets cleaned up. The \"invisible hand\" just might benefit from a syringe full of whatever it is that Dutrow is allegedly giving his horses.
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: Boscar Obarra on January 01, 2012, 09:30:34 PM
DRFGrening David Grening

Apprentice Kevin Navarro rides 1st NY winner in Wildlee Special for R. Dutrow. Navarro is represented by Blake Dutrow, Rick\'s nephew.
Title: Re: Dutrow receives indefinite stay of suspension
Post by: TGJB on January 02, 2012, 08:46:14 AM
The invisble hand-- the traditional one, meaning supply and demand-- doesn\'t work here, because for the most part the powers that be are oblivious, and think the only problem is one of perception. Yes, there is some movement by some behind the scenes, but it\'s like trying to turn an aircraft carrier around. In molasses.