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Title: Expensive mistake
Post by: Boscar Obarra on September 25, 2011, 11:36:28 AM
someone just crushed the 5  (4th race in the exactas) nothing to win

 If it wins , there will be no end of complaints on the payoffs.
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: Boscar Obarra on September 25, 2011, 11:38:21 AM
omg.
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: yankndixie on September 25, 2011, 12:09:18 PM
andy serling tweeted that the 5-13 exacta was paying less than the 5 to win before the race was off
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: Boscar Obarra on September 25, 2011, 12:16:32 PM
wasnt just the 5-13

 nice score for that crew. 50k-100k or more at least. Triple was quite low as well.

 You dont see this too often in NY anymore.
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: dcbred1 on September 25, 2011, 01:55:03 PM
Probably a stupid question but any idea who?
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: TGJB on September 25, 2011, 02:18:15 PM
Someone who\'s bookmaker only takes win bets.
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: Boscar Obarra on September 25, 2011, 05:24:58 PM
Don\'t know about that Jerry. If a book got that action why would he hold the win and take a beating on that?

  I must admit, the last time I remember seeing action like that was  Lebon, the time he lost.


PS for those who care and understand such things, he was 8-1 in the exacta pool
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: BB on September 25, 2011, 08:35:10 PM
How do you calculate that, Boscar? Is that $18 times the place price or is that share of the top spot on the winner?
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: Boscar Obarra on September 25, 2011, 08:57:30 PM
Thats the price you\'d get if you dutched the exacta pool with the horse on top.

 Was pretty much untouched in the place slot, they didn\'t feel like wasting good money saving on a \'sure thing\'.

 As for board watchers scoring out, I doubt it, as the payoffs ripped higher at the end. They may have bought a few tickets, but the only score was by the barn.

 
 This used to happen a lot more often in years past.
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: miff on September 26, 2011, 06:57:13 AM
Only horse to overcome a speed bias early on also.Five of the first six winners were right on/near the lead, this horse,Unusual Laz,6+lengths back after the first quarter.

Acme stable got most of the money in a tough situation considering the wet track condition/ running profile.In some jurisdictions(Kentucky for example) they would take a look at the betting pattern on this race and maybe \'tag\'the samples.

Very nice put over!
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: Boscar Obarra on September 26, 2011, 07:37:11 AM
Doubt there was anything amiss here. Classic case of a horse trained away from the track, sitting on a big one with few in the know.

 Wonder if they actually intended TURF or were looking for dirt.

 love how they reached out for a bug with no weight off. (just hang on kid)
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: miff on September 26, 2011, 08:09:39 AM
Box,

Not suggesting anything wrong but:

This horse could have run at Parx/elsewhere for same purse but came here for pool size.Unusual Heat more turf meant, imo. Cohen got off, rode the favorite(first call I\'ll guess) Acme Stable stayed in the race on wet dirt and still bet their money.

Lotta stuff there.


Mike
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: Ntheiroff on September 26, 2011, 01:26:51 PM
Certainly a great score. But.....

They left quite a bit on the table.

The horse (20-1) was the third leg of the Pick-4 and 3 legs of the 3 Pick-3\'s.

I figured that about a $3000 investment, they could have taken home an additional $70,000+. In 3 of the bets (P-4 and 2 P-3\') the damage would have been done before the tote board readers caught on.

Great game!
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: Boscar Obarra on September 26, 2011, 02:34:23 PM
The title of my thread, before the race, was in honor of how much they were about to leave on the table.
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: Ntheiroff on September 26, 2011, 04:46:15 PM
They certainly did a yeoman\'s job of getting the horse ready and keeping it quiet.
To some degree, must be \"rookies\" of a sort. To have only attacked the exacta I guess was a relative \"no brainer\". They probably wheeled it. Those other 4 pools were pretty juicy, but it took some thought.
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: Boscar Obarra on September 28, 2011, 09:27:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLvtAl_t2sI&feature=player_embedded

Trailer for the upcoming series Luck

Dawned on me that Mann might do worse than script this putover into the story.
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: TGJB on September 29, 2011, 10:07:11 AM
I got to read the script for the pilot. People said the script I wrote was too dark, and made racing look too bad-- this goes WAY beyond, with a horse being put down on-camera.

Had some dealings with Milch, years ago, and he saw an early version of what I wrote. He\'s unbelievable with dialogue, though he\'s got racetrackers talking suspiciously like the cops on NYPD Blue. He definitely knows the track-- he\'s an owner and huge bettor.
Title: Re: Expensive mistake
Post by: Rich Curtis on September 29, 2011, 10:55:41 AM
\"People said the script I wrote was too dark,\"

   The movie would have offended everybody who has a pet lobster.